Hard Way Place Bets!

Discussion in 'Prop Bets & Side Bets' started by DeMango, May 31, 2017.

  1. DeMango, Jun 28, 2017

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    If Rick is shooting, TD loses! JMHO!
     
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  2. TDVegas, Jun 28, 2017

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    He can shoot every roll if he likes. Practice table would be best for time reasoning. Makes no difference to me who shoots. He can even bring all his Vegas "Top Guns" to shoot. Makes no difference to me. What's the argument? That he is a dice influencer or that the 2 plastic dice have a memory chip implanted where they know the last result..and intend on repeating it or using it as a basis for the next result? Either or...makes no difference to me who shoots.

    What if he loses?;)

    Jeez, what does the board say?
    Should be interesting.
     
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  3. HornHiYo, Jun 28, 2017

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    Don't hold your breath waiting for this. Although it seems likely this voodoo reading challenge gives the voodoo reader a better chance to succeed (50/50) than the Bo-Hunck dice tossing challenge gives to the dice controller. Pure luck for either of you to win. Save time and effort......, flip a coin. More heads Rick wins or vice versa.
    Still ..... it ain't happening.
     
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  4. TDVegas, Jun 28, 2017

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    Yup. I see it as I have a 50/50 shot. Nothing more. Nothing less.
     
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  5. von duck, Jun 28, 2017

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    Alright, let's Rumble with TD ! !
     
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  6. superrick, Jun 28, 2017

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    Why don't you get to Vegas anyway that you can and I will put on a blindfold and out shoot you. I would love to show you what we do here in Vegas. You know that we actually play craps on real casino craps tables and not on the keyboard like you do!
     
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  7. DeMango, Jun 28, 2017

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    Getcher popcorn, hey,hey!
     
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  8. Night Attack, Jun 28, 2017

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    It's a trap!
     
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  9. von duck, Jun 29, 2017

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    Hi Tom, nice nose glasses.:D
     
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  10. Night Attack, Jun 29, 2017

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    My old nemesis Baron Thomas Von Duck!
    A lot of Tom's on this board.
     
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  11. basicstrategy777, Jun 29, 2017

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    If 1 in 6 is a stake embedded in concrete and accepted by all, including Mr. Random.......cannot/should not this be used somewhere within your betting strategy. ( It's due ).

    The answer to the game is Due and Streaks/Trends.......The only way to come out ahead is to be able to sniff them out, and have the courage of your convictions.

    Ride the horse....get off the horse; Some people can do it better than others. BUT...you need to do both to win.

    To ignore past events, I believe, is a mistake.

    777
     
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  12. superrick, Jun 29, 2017

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    Trends are the only way that 99 percent of all players win after all aren't you going to get that 7 out after a few rolls of the dice?

    If you only go by the math of the game you're going to lose, isn't that what the math tells you and every so-called DI out there?

    The so-called DI's know that they can't play by the math of the game and bet on the numbers that they are rolling, unless they were GTC Trained trained and only bet on the 6's and 8's!
     
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  13. von duck, Jun 29, 2017

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    That was pretty good BTL, for an ALL AMERICAN BOY. Say hi to Geist, for me.
     
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  14. HornHiYo, Jun 29, 2017

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    I see I have 1,601 posts while you have 2,256. You have more keyboard time than me on this site and you make many bs posts on other boards including your own craps board.

    I don't consider running through lots of casinos looking for excuses to not play as real play time. Same goes for time spent at a practice table.

    You say you don't play weekends and enjoy spending time at car shows and treasure hunting. You know zero about me yet claim you put in more time playing than I do!? Incredible!
     
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  15. TDVegas, Jun 29, 2017

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    Trend, variance. Still...there is no way to predict a trend will happen.
    If you play craps, if you make a bet, if you move a bet...you ARE "going by the math of the game". Once a bet is down...it is subjected to the math of the game. Period. The only time a wager is not subjected to the math of the game is when you remove it.--contract bets aside.

    Anyone putting down a bet is playing by the math of the game. Whether that wager is a pass/come/place/horn/field...you ARE playing by the math of the game. If you change a bet...you are still playing by the math. Low house edge, high house edge...you are playing by the math.

    If making high edge prop and bonus wagers is not playing by the math, fine....you can demonstrate winning consistently with that play?---all the kudos. I have doubts.

    I have absolutely no clue what is meant by "don't play by the math".....
    The math is attached to EVERY wager. Is the argument that moving a wager from one number to another based on what HAS happened is "not playing by the math"..... ?

    If the suggestion is "I've seen a bunch of 9's rolling so now I want to place the 9"..that is not playing by the math???

    Fine.

    I will pick the 5.

    If my 5 rolls before your 9....your "not playing by the math wager"...sucked. I won.. You did not. That is noted. If the 9 rolls before the 5, you have made the better pick.

    Trends are ALL after the fact. They are over. Unless you can predict a trend will happen. I dispute this and I am willing to apply it to a table. If you witness 8-8-9-8....and you now feel you have a trend developing? Fine. Bet the 8. I will bet the 6. If the 6 rolls before your 8....your "not playing by the math wager"....sucked. I won. You did not. That is noted.

    This is the crutch of my test...for as many times as someone sees a number to bet on...I'll take the complete opposite approach. My argument is I have a 50/50 shot on doing better. It's not a guarantee I will do better..or worse. The chances are 50/50. In effect both wagers are "playing by the math"....whether you like it or not.

    I've listed roll data before. Anyone can tell me what I should have done AFTER they have seen all those rolls. Tell me what WILL roll...be accurate...and you will get major kudos here.

    I'm willing to put my little test on the table. If I had to guess, someone will be right 25 times to 23 or 22 for the other guy. Odd chance that it's a 25-12 situation...but this is craps, anything can happen.

    The real question...since you are so adamant you are right---what if you lose? If you win, obviously you will get all the accolades and back slapping from people siding with you. "That TDV, he doesn't know crap about how to win".....I'm not going anywhere. I'm here. I accept the verbal onslaught.

    The real question....what....if...you....lose? What is then said?:eek:

    "TDV got lucky".....?
    "Rick was unlucky"....?
    YES!! Thank you for confirming the game of craps is random luck.
     
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  16. tabletop123, Jun 29, 2017

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    My head hurts REALLY bad! Just imagine.......IF I was mathematically inclined as SOME of you guys, my head would SURELY explode!
    Now, where did I put those fu**king Aspirin?
     
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  17. TDVegas, Jun 29, 2017

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    Makes no difference to me how anyone plays this game or what bets they make, change or keep. Progression, regression, low edge, high edge, bonus, prop. To each his own. When you start declaring that a guy simply making different wagers than you is going to lose and he is going to win...there is going to be pushback....

    especially if you are declaring the guy sticking with place 6-8 will do worse than the guy making prop and bonus bets.

    any strategy works sometimes. No strategy works all the time.
     
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  18. von duck, Jun 29, 2017

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    An Audi, would have said " it's a snare".
     
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  19. tabletop123, Jun 29, 2017

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    Craps is a tough game to CONSISTENTLY win at! It's certainly NOT something that I would try to do for a living.

    However, I will ALWAYS try to supplement income by doing something that the Casinos DONT like.......Hit & run play! The guys that step up to a table, & their done ( win or lose) within 15-30 minutes (if not sooner).

    The Casinos want you THERE. Standing, sitting, leaning, all day long. My buddy (Lester) that was the Pit Boss at Road House in Tunics always told me that "When patrons win, & decide NOT to leave......"We end up getting it all back, PLUS MORE!

    Now, playing extremely short sessions is certainly not Advantage play, guarantees you absolutely Nothing, but SOMEHOW that method of play certainly keeps my head from hurting really bad!

    Eleven Consecutive winning sessions by continuously fleeing to the Cashier's cage like an escaped prisoner, & then the ONE DAY that I decide to STAY, & play a little longer ( well, maybe a LOT longer lol.).........BAM! The Old Nut Clipper.
    Gotta cut this post short.......My head STILL hurts!
     
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  20. TDVegas, Jun 29, 2017

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    Look, whether you play 2 hours or 20 minutes....the casino is NOT concerned about that nor does it mean anything other than psychologically (to you). The IMPORTANT issue (for them) is money wagered over that 20 minutes or 2 hours.

    If you wager $1,000 in bets over 20 minutes.....and player B wagers $500 over 2 hours---trust me, the casino likes you a lot better. I will also side with player B after 1 year of play (3 times a week) as being better off than you....assuming the same strategic play--just he wagers less per bet.

    Quick hitting and running is a great play....so is grinding out and running.

    This is merely a psychological issue you are talking about. The important issue is money wagered during the course of 20 minutes or 2 hours. If you catch quick positive variance...BOOM, you get your nice win. If you catch quick negative variance....BOOM, you get your ass kicked.

    a bunch of short sessions is simply one long session strung together.

    Finding variance isn't some kind of rocket science project. If short sessions work for you...go with it. No one should be arguing that is a bad play.
     
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