Hard Way Place Bets!

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  1. DeMango, May 31, 2017

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    Now at Orleans in Vegas. Pays 5 to 1. Loses on 7 only, not easy way.
     
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  3. von duck, May 31, 2017

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    Lose 6, win 5 , not really a bargain. Maybe FredP can give us the "probability-odds" on this bet, or is it the "odds of probability"? Oops, should say lose 6, win 1. The probability of an error this bad, would really be "ODD"? Your win PAYS 5.
     
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    Looks like they could be self serve bets, or does base dealer set them up? Does layout still have traditional hardways in the center?
     
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  5. DeMango, May 31, 2017

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    All on WoO site with appropriate odds and expected value.
    Also a thread on WoV.
     
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    I could but YOU wouldn't know the "DIFFERENCE" between the two.

    P. S. Don't wear out the "quote" keys on your keyboard. You won't be able to type anything!
    On second thought, "WEAR THEM OUT" and you're gone! Yahoo!
    Keep baiting me, I'll win!
     
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    That wasn't bait, just a very bad math error on my part. The previous discussion involved math errors on YOUR part, a minor terminology error on MINE.
     
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    These bets are over 14% HA, let's all grab our bankroll and head down there right now, before the word gets out.
     
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  9. KokomoJoe4, May 31, 2017

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    There are and will be additional ways to spell sucker on the craps layout.

    If you want a HW, bet it to win 7 or 9 to 1, not 5 to 1. Follow Grafstein's advise for "intelligent idiots" when making these bets. This involves progressions with the winners. From memory, something like 5 to 25 to 125. If you've got some balls try Midnight Skulker's full press 5 to 50 to 500, also used successfully by a former board member.

    For me, plain old place bets are hard to make and are usually avoided, let alone HW place bets.

    Only because smart guys on this board have said that "all methods of play win at times" am I going to continue trying out the military march play discussed recently, in spite of the fact that I haven't yet managed even a first winning bet with it. :confused:
     
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    They're not self serve,as they would have to be placed properly on the layout to ID the owner.
     
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  11. dicepunk, May 31, 2017

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    Interesting play.
    Koko, that doesn't inspire much confidence...did he bust out and quit the game?
     
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  12. DeMango, Jun 1, 2017

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    I think K-joe is thinking the Great James Hall.

    Anyway the 3 payouts of hardways, not hops are 9-1, 7-1, and now 5-1. It really depends on what you throw, lots of easy 6's and 8's, maybe you want to place the hardway (6&8). Maybe for a little less pop place the 4&10 hard so those easy ways don't dilute your winnings. Sure can't see placing one and not the other. (Buy on 4 & 10 natch!)

    Here's another thought. You got a $42 6 and/or 8. It hits easy, drop a dollar, take $25 profit, place $25 hardway. Instead of going to $60. Just a thought.
     
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    This one is REAL easy, don't play this bet PERIOD. The H/A is over 14%, that makes it absolutely prohibitive. There aren't many worse bets on the table.
     
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    LuckyLady and I were in Showboat Casino, AC a few years back -

    We cashed in our chips and I still had most of my Heineken to consume before we left the casino -

    We went back to the table we just recently vacated -

    While nursing my beer - i noticed a stack of green chips on each of the hardways -

    Had to be an easy $100 to $200 or more on each hardway -

    Shooter was SL1 who was making number after number -

    However NOT ONE hardway was thrown in the approx. 15 - 20 minute time period that we were watching -

    In the short time that it took me to down my beer -

    The dude who was betting the $100 - $200 on the hardways dropped at least $2k - possibly more -

    Hardways were NOT hitting - however this ONE individual continued to bet in a manner which possibly in the PAST produced a significant win for him - BUT - NOT this night !

    Moral to this story -

    BET what the table is GIVING YOU !

    $...eE..$
     
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  15. $nakeEye$, Jun 1, 2017

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    Looks like the layout at The Orleans in Las Vegas !

    Have to bet a MIN of $5 on the Hardway - ONLY pays 5 to 1 - BUT - DOES NOT FALL on an Easy way !

    WORTH the reduced pay-off -

    In MY opinion !

    $...eE..$
     
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  16. von duck, Jun 1, 2017

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    I'll book those bets for you.
     
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    SnakeEyes is correct... The Dealer can also 'book my wager' as well.

    Hard 6 and 8 wagers lose on the 4 easy ways and 6 Seven ways of dice outcomes. Correct payout would be 10 to 1, table pays 9 to 1. I calculate 9% short, while others have the number at 9 1/11 %. Close enough for me.

    Hard 6 and 8 wagers push on the 4 easy ways and lose on the 6 Seven ways. Correct payout would be 6 to 1, table pays 5 to 1. I calculate 8.3% short has House P.C..

    I believe this is a better option to get Players onto the Hardway 4, 6, 8 and 10 giving up about .7% of the Casino's P.C.. This change is actually benefiting the Player and encourages more action on all of the Hardways. That is the idea the Casino Craps Table has in mind. No action on the Hardways gets a return of 0% to the Casino, but risks paying 9 to 1 payouts. Reducing the payout, gaining more wagers no doubt was shown to bring in more winnings for the table... due to more Player Action.

    Same with the 4 and 10 Hardways. The Player gets a slightly better deal.

    Although the Hardway wagers are not like an Odds Wager getting correct odds, the table is going in the right direction. I lose, on some occasions, plenty of Hardway 6 and 8 wagers from the four easy ways and six ways for a Seven Out, to make this more favorable for my 'sucker bets' getting closer to 10% P.C..

    Some one might be able to grind the numbers with something I overlooked... but I would play this new approach to Hardway wagering. A win for the Casino... and a win for a string of Hardways before a Seven Out.

    I wager on both the Placing the Hardway Number(s) with a flat bet on the Hardway wager. I would lose my $5 Hardway wager, then take $5 from my soft way payout to replace the lost $5 chip.

    This adds just a bit more interest at the table.
     
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  18. DeMango, Jun 15, 2017

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    Somewhere else, probably WoV, or maybe Heavy's site, gave a figure of 14%+ on the bet. Doesn't effect me at all, the bet does not exist (yet) in Biloxi.
     
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    Really? Have you compared the EV of the two different hard way bets?

    You are expected to lose $30 for every $25 win on that bet with a $5 bet. Yep, a great EV snake.
     
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    Will it effect you if it does come to Biloxi?
     
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