Grand Victoria Casino (Elgin, Illinois)

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  1. random_roller, Dec 12, 2015

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    Grand Victoria Casino (Elgin, IL) is located just south of downtown on the Fox River, about 40 miles northwest of Chicago. The casino is housed in a multi-level riverboat, while the restaurants are in a separate structure adjacent to the casino. It opened in 1994 and for a long time it was the highest grossing casino in the state.

    Gaming Hours: 8:30am to 6:30am (closed for 2 hours, per state law)
    Smoking Permitted? No (state law), except outside. Customers can actually walk on the outside deck of the riverboat.

    Total Number of Craps Tables: 2
    Number of Crapless Craps tables: 0
    Table Minimum: $10 to $15 most times, $15 to $25 on Friday & Saturday evening.
    Table Maximum: $5,000
    Odds: 100x (maximum $25,000)
    Fire Bet: Yes, $1 to $5
    Fire Bet Payout: 7 for 1 (3 different numbers), 30 for 1 (4 different numbers), 150 for 1 (5 different numbers), 300 for 1 (6 different numbers)
    All Tall Small Bet: No
    All Tall Small Payout: N/A
    Repeater Bet: No
    Repeater Bet Payout: N/A
    Vig on Buying 4/10: Charged on buy; $1 for $20 bet (up to $39 for the first $1), $2 for $40 to $59 bet, $3 for 60 to $79 bet, $4 for 80 to $99 bet, $5 for $100 bet
    Field Bet 2/12 payout: 2x on 2, 3x on 12
    Craps for Cash: If shooter hits all 6 points (4,5, 6, 8, 9, 10), he/she wins $2,500

    Other Comments: The casino is on the small side from a square footage standpoint, as it is housed in an actual multi-deck riverboat. Gaming machines and tables fill the floors. The Fox River Trail (almost 40 miles long, mostly paved, for biking, walking) parallels the Fox River where the trail passes by the casino. Quite scenic in the fall, especially south near St. Charles. Grand Victoria is located between two Metra (commuter rail) stations on the Milwaukee District West line -- National Street station is closer, about a 10 minute walk; Elgin station is probably a 15-20 minute walk. If you're staying in downtown Chicago, you could ride Metra to/from Grand Victoria. During the summer, outdoor concerts are held at adjacent Festival Park.

    Parking: Garage, surface, and valet. Well-designed parking garage, one of the easier to get in/out of.

    Hotel Comments: No attached hotel, but there are several hotels/motels within a few miles.
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    Buffet Comments: Indulge is very good and seating is usually quick. Note that the buffet and other restaurants are accessible without walking through the casino floor, so underage children are permitted.
     
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    thankyou
     
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  3. The Midnight Skulker, Dec 12, 2015

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    Is this one of those "protect us from ourselves" laws? I know that when Missouri first legalized gambling (on boats that never left the dock!) there was a $500 buy-in per "cruise" limit placed on patrons. (I've heard that nonsense has since been rescinded.) My guess is that limit was included to allay the fears that degenerates would blow their life savings (which they could do anyway because casino operators simply put boats next to each other and staggered the "cruise" departure times).

    Lucky Eagle, a Native American joint in Rochester, WA, had to close 4am-10am when it first opened per its compact with the state, I assume for the same reason. (Don't know if that's still the case, however.) Created a unique (in my experience) situation. As the wee-bitching hour approached a suit would announce, "Last shooter," and if the hand was still in progress at the stroke of 4am, 'Last roll." Any bets including contract bets that remained unresolved after "last roll" were returned to their owners. Never saw anyone make a big Come bet after the "last roll" announcement, but that would certainly be an advantage play if it were allowed!
    Have to wonder if this restriction is state-specific. Wife #1 and I never had a problem taking our underage son through a pit. In fact, I remember showing him how a slot machine worked once -- this at John Mackey's Star Broiler, rebuilt after it burned down as the town's convention center, in Winnemucca, NV.
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Dec 12, 2015

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    Seeing the 100x odds at Grand Victoria perked me up. We all play differently, but I would love to have a regular opportunity to play this type of a "fair game" when ahead by enough to do so.

    Damn it, the eight or so sessions I have had this available to me never developed to where I could get out any kind of odds.
     
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  5. random_roller, Dec 12, 2015

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    The "no more than 22 hours per day" was likely a compromise so the lawmakers could say they didn't approve 24 hour gaming - a small concession to those who were concerned with "problem gamblers" not ever leaving the casino. Illinois had a similar buy-in limit under consideration while riverboat legislation was being discussed but that language wasn't included in the final bill that was approved.


    Illinois law requires a person to be at least 21 years of age in order to enter the casino floor. So even if the underage person only wanted to eat at the buffet and had no intention of gambling, if the buffet is accessible only by walking through the casino, he/she will not be allowed (in Illinois). Rivers Casino intentionally designed the casino so the restaurants are accessible only by walking through the casino, thereby keeping underage children out; besides, non-gaming underage children would make things too chaotic on the casino floor and reduce the actual number of gamblers permitted inside the facility (per the fire marshal). Contrast that with Grand Victoria, which houses restaurants in a separate land-based facility because floor space on the riverboat was limited (and needed for gaming machines/tables). Underage children are permitted in GV's restaurants and don't "get in the way" or reduce spots available inside the casino.
     
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  6. random_roller, Dec 12, 2015

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    Me too - I'd love to be up a large amount and then start making larger odds bets. However, I don't have the stomach -- or bankroll - to wager 100x odds, so it's marketing fluff from my perspective. Still, I have seen others max their odds bet and try to take advantage of the high limit on odds. Grand Victoria has a lot going for it from a gambler's perspective, including paying the Fire Bet starting at 3 numbers (7 for 1) and higher at 4 numbers (30 for 1) than other casinos, Field 12 at 3x, and allowing a 4/10 Buy at up to $39 for $1 vig, even though the commission is charged upfront (Rivers Casino is $1 vig for up to $25, upfront). The trade-off on the Fire Bet is a much lower payout on 5 (150 for 1 vs. "typical" 250 for 1) and 6 (300 for 1 vs. "typical" 1000 for 1) numbers, should a really hot roll happen.
     
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  7. betwthelines, Dec 13, 2015

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    i was at gv in september---did not play for long as the min was $10 (at that time), too much vig for the Tough Craps player---but unless i am completely mistaken, there were 4 craps tables, not 2 (my previous time there, which was a fair number of years ago, there were six craps tables)

    tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
     
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  8. random_roller, Dec 14, 2015

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    I was there Friday evening and there were 2 craps tables on the main level (cross the gangway, turn left). I've been there @6 times this year and have only seen those 2 tables. Earlier this summer I asked a dealer whether there were any other craps tables (besides the ones I had been playing on) -- because I was getting my butt kicked -- and he said no. In years past, there were definitely more craps tables. Next time I'm there I'll walk through all levels of the casino.
     
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  9. Settingcanthurt, Dec 14, 2015

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    Did not know there was a Casino in Elgin. Have stopped there for gas a couple times. Found a gas station with a sandwich shop in it. Best Chicago Beef sandwiches in IL. Gonna have to look up that casino. Thanks.
     
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  10. random_roller, Dec 14, 2015

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    Oh, it's definitely there, lol. If you're driving on I-90, exit at SR 25 heading south. Follow 25 south until you see Villa Street (Walgreen's is on the NE corner) and make a right turn onto Villa Street (heading slightly northwest). Make a left onto National Street (2nd light, I believe) and proceed down the hill. At the bottom of the hill you'll see the Grand Victoria Casino. If you cross the Fox River, you've gone too far. There's also a Hollywood Casino in Aurora, which is further south (@20 miles) in Aurora if you continue on SR 25.

    As for the best Italian Beef sandwich in Chicago, where is this place? Johnny's in Elmwood Park is pretty good.
     
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    I think this is the place...

    Fox River Cafe & Deli
    96 N La Fox St

    South Elgin, IL 60177

    If the cafe is thru doors to the left then probably is. Hole in the wall good.
     
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  12. random_roller, Dec 15, 2015

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    Thanks, I'll check it out when I'm in the area. BTW, the buffet at Grand Victoria is very good. By far the best selection of fruit of any casino buffet in the area, which I appreciate as I'm trying to (though not necessarily succeeding) eat healthier. My first stop is usually the stir fry station.
     
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  13. snyper117, Dec 15, 2015

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    GVC is a good boat! Problem is, all Chicago area casinos get widely packed every night, ESPECIALLY Fri/Sat. I've seen $25 mins there which is pretty high for Midwest.

    Aurora and Joliet shops aren't bad, I've had a lot more success (and fun) in the IN riverboats!
    More of my clientele - (half the group not betting the Don't, tossing chips when your rolling, tons of smoke, crowded tables.....)
     
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    Portillos (beef) Lou Malnatis (pizza) are my two favorites. Use pea pod (delivery) to get the frozen food shipped to you for about 50% less than the actual company will do.
    If you're ever up in palatine, IL a good place called Pizza Bella stole my heart..... :p
     
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  15. random_roller, Dec 15, 2015

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    Pequod's in Lincoln Park is the best Chicago-style pizza I've ever had, and from my perspective it's not even close. I've eaten at Portillo's on many occasions and the Italian beef sandwich is pretty good.
     
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    Pequods, Unos (the downtown, not frozen), Lou's, and Ginos East. I was traveling thru indy and they have GIordannos even down there now - not as good. Nothing like Chicago food! :)
     
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  17. Settingcanthurt, Dec 15, 2015

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    Snyp you may have supplied some useful information. Portillos is my go to for Chicago Beef since Al's deli in Downers Grove stopped business. They were my standard. But for a suprise try the one in Elgin. Made more home made then Portillos....
     
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    A lot of people living in the Chicago MSA. Rivers Casino gets people attending conventions at Rosemont & Allstate, along with those having business meetings at the various hotels near O'Hare. Short of putting a casino in the Loop, Rivers probably has the best location in Chicagoland for a casino. Rivers almost always has at least one craps table at $25 minimum -- more of a filter than supply/demand. Ironically, I've actually had more success at the $25 table than the $15/$10 tables.

    I'm not a big fan of the Hollywood Casino Aurora Riverboat. Last few times I was there (in 2014), I needed a players card; otherwise, I would have had to pay $10 to exit the parking garage. And the buffet there was weak. Grand Victoria has it beat hands down, IMO. No problems with a parking fee (for self parking) in Joliet for either Harrah's or Hollywood Casino Joliet (formerly the Empress Casino). It's just a haul for me to get to Joliet, so I hardly go there.
     
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    I checked the monthly reports at Illinois Gaming Board to verify that there are currently 2 craps tables at Grand Victoria Casino in Elgin. Per the November 2015 report (covering October 2015), the most recent available report, there are currently 2 craps tables at that casino. That is the number I saw last week and on several occasions earlier this year. In years past, there were considerably more craps tables at Grand Victoria, but Rivers Casino has really taken away a lot of business that GV used to get.

    Illinois Gaming Board Monthly Reports -- See page 6 of 6 for the number of craps tables
    http://www.igb.illinois.gov/RiverboatReports.aspx

    Number of Craps Tables at Grand Victoria (Elgin, IL), per the IGB monthly report:

    December 1999 -- 8 (January 2000 report covering December 1999)
    December 2009 -- 4
    December 2010 -- 3
    December 2011 -- 3
    December 2012 -- 2
    December 2013 -- 2
    December 2014 -- 2
    October 2015 -- 2
     
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  20. random_roller, Oct 8, 2016

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    Grand Victoria, Elgin, Illinois Update

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