Good Ridance Gargoil

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Dave G Ct, Oct 22, 2017.

  1. rongarm10, Oct 25, 2017

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    No sir I didn't get his newsletter. Nor have I ever gotten his newsletter since I was booted off. Just sayin
     
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  2. rongarm10, Oct 25, 2017

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    I believe that those videos were intended mostly just to show that dice can come off axis most of the time. I don't think from those videos is something that can be considered "top-secret" di info. U see these videos on many sites, so to me, not being a di, this doesn't do much harm. But of course, I could be "rong". I think that perhaps others in this forum have put up more info about di .Just sayin
     
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  3. rongarm10, Oct 25, 2017

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    I think James that there would be other subjects to talk about. Just sayin.
     
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  4. rongarm10, Oct 25, 2017

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    I thought that Poncho Villa said "badges, we don't got no stinking badges". I could b rong, lol. U just watch and someone will say I quoted out of another movie, which is ok. Just sayin.
     
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  5. Mssthis1, Oct 26, 2017

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    Tabletop gets another BINGO!. That's also why Phil Ivy didn't get his money. He got greedy and probably wanted to stroke his ego with a movie after he won 10mil and it backfired on him.

    Thanks to tips from Top, TDV and Demango I've done almost a complete 180 on how I bet and where I play. Win a few hundo, head for the cage and the casinos never even notice you were there.

    The wallet getting a little fatter almost every day is a lot more fun than stroking your ego, hoping to hit that triple parlay one time, so you have something to talk about when you're a broke donkey stuck at home like some others are......................
     
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  6. James Hall, Oct 26, 2017

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    I don't know what you meant by that but it was funny
     
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  7. KokomoJoe4, Oct 26, 2017

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    I get them, and I have NEVER been on Heavy's site. Not that I care, but this is a bit perplexing.

    I am the sort who almost never communicates by way of e-mail, and who goes into his e-mail maybe once a month, at which point there are 978 messages received, which are deleted without any refernce to them.
     
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  8. The Midnight Skulker, Oct 26, 2017

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    IMHO it was the book Beat The Dealer that brought the throngs to the blackjack table, not only because it detailed the benefits of card counting but primarily because it published the basic strategy for playing the hand. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to realize that you have a better chance to win if you know how to play!
    DI skill acquisition is certainly more expensive than learning card counting. To become proficient at DI you need a craps table (and the space to put it in), which will run you at least a grand, and probably more like three large plus, for a decent one. (Yeah, you can get started with other apparatus, like a cardboard box, but that is not going to get you anywhere close to the proficiency required to put even the smallest dent in the house advantage.) You also have to be at the table to practice. Get yourself a deck of cards -- cost: $1 -- and you can practice counting anywhere in your spare time. So you're right: very few players will develop the DI skill necessary to defeat the game, but that does not mean the casinos will be on the lookout for those few players.
    I'll be damned if I can find the reference, so indulge me and my possibly faulty memory. I remember reading a quote by a top casino executive: "I will tolerate the white, red, and green chip card counters -- they cannot hurt me -- but woe to those who play black or better." IOW don't get greedy. Winners make for good advertising, but not if they are taking the joint to the cleaners.
     
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  9. James Hall, Oct 26, 2017

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    One thing I have noticed about people who have transplanted to Vegas and many who were born and raised there is
    They have no idea what goes on there
    the morning after an unusually large win in Vegas some time back I was walking thru the casino to get coffee and noticed
    2 guys changing the lay out on the table , one of them noticed me sitting at a slot machine videotaping them so he walked over and asked me why I was taping them
    I gave him some excuse , and asked him what they did with them , he said that there is a pile of them in the shop , long story short I bought the layout
    A won came over and said , "you're the guy that had that long roll" I said yes , were you on the table , she said "NO"
    I asked her why , she said , "I don't gamble" , again I said why , ,She looked rather puzzled and said , "I LIVE HERE"
    So I don't find it unusual that TDVegas has no clue as to what happens there
    The casinos will allow what the consider reasonable wins
    My friend told me he is under restrictions , the dealers will normally try to keep the game going at a rate fast enough that they think he can't keep up and to that
    end they prefer he play on a table alone , which in his mind seems totally illogical
     
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  10. TDVegas, Oct 26, 2017

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    As opposed to a guy living in a darkened room in Mesa, AZ...typing away furiously 24/7.

    He knows.:rolleyes:
     
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  11. James Hall, Oct 26, 2017

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    The point as I understand it is , they will not allow those huge bets , they limit him to smallish bets , when they figure
    he is about to bang them , they make him stop , to him a small bet is rather large to the table minimum betters
    A person could live quite well on his SMALL wins
    He doesn't play blackjack anymore except on very rare occasion
    A bunch of years ago I converted him over to craps
    If you were to ask him now , if he plays craps his answer would be
    "NO I DON'T , BLACKJACK SUCKS"
     
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  12. TDVegas, Oct 26, 2017

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    Ludicrous. You are suggesting the casino also keeps track of the count and hence knows prior to his bet if "he is about to bang them"....?

    then makes him stop...

    I've never heard of anything more ridiculous.
     
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  13. James Hall, Oct 26, 2017

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    Some how I knew this would be just one more thing of which you would have little or no understanding
     
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  14. von duck, Oct 26, 2017

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    Thank you TD.
     
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  15. von duck, Oct 26, 2017

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    You're odds were very good, SIR. :).
     
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  16. James Hall, Oct 26, 2017

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    from what I understand from some on this board , Demango is a good hand at the game of craps and does win , my impression is
    that he would be a good source of information about the game and betting strategies
    TDVegas on the other hand as far as I am able to determine from his posts is one who plays a very conservative game 'playing more to break even or not to lose
    than to actually win , From reading his posts I get the impression that he is strictly a RECREATIONAL player concerned with protecting his
    $60 buy in by limiting his activity to $1 bets on the bubble
    I would say if you look at them for guidance DeMango would be the better option as a mentor ,, JUST SAYING
     
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  17. James Hall, Oct 26, 2017

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    actuall that quote was from the Mexican bandit with the gold colored hat in the movie "Treasure of the Sierra Madre
     
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  18. tabletop123, Oct 26, 2017

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    Appreciate the kind words, but unfortunately, I don't always practice what I preach. I'm a stickler for playing at Venues wherein I have a good chance of winning ( didn't do it, & got a Nut Clipping), & tossing ONLY 1-2 hands, & heading to the cage ( didn't do it, & got my nuts Clipped).

    Spewing words of wisdom on the forum, & turning around & playing like a complete Jackass= Top!
    When will I ever conquer discipline, or at least keep my discipline.....ON AXIS? Lol
     
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  19. James Hall, Oct 26, 2017

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    great post about blackjack and DI
    My attitude and opinion about DI is such that I have bought several tables from CASINOS , I want to practice on what I will be playing
    The game of craps is a difficult game to beat but it can be beaten by people who are willing
    TO DO THE WORK , it does take a lot of work and as Table top says ,if you do gain am advantage it is very small but
    that is all you need to win
     
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  20. tabletop123, Oct 26, 2017

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    Don't know Demango personally, but I do know that he has been around since Day One of the Dice Influencing thingy! Seen them all, knows every betting strategy out there, & probably has made every mistake known to Mankind playing Craps.

    This might sound cruel, but you can also learn from those that make a lot of mistakes playing the game. Ya just don't learn from Winners only!

    Give me a guy that has lost his Ass playing craps, is constantly trying to find THAT Hiccup in the game, is NOT a degenerative gambler, & that's the guy that I want to follow.

    Yep, following winners is a good thing too, but the Winners that haven't gotten their hands dirty, been down in the trenches, are usually the ones that don't last very long. One hit wonders is a appropriate labeling for them!
     
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