" Give me Math or give me death"

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  1. Freddyy, Apr 10, 2018

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    Why would he? If he’s close to his home and makes money. Why bother. You won’t see me in vegas getting screwed up either!
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Apr 10, 2018

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    . Aren't you working on something? Where do you find time to post - now if you did find something and it is a big if then go ahead with wasting time.
     
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  3. Dave G Ct, Apr 10, 2018

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    Yes just as I thought, the SRT has been viewing this thread.Hey Irish stay off this forum until you hit a 6 point Fire Bet! Do not litter this forum!
    Think we have more 6 point Fire Bet winners on this forum. We should charge these Interlopers.What do you expect with a boring site managed by boring people
    Lol
     
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  4. DeMango, Apr 10, 2018

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    Point is, the is no ATS in CT
    Also you don't need to go to Vegas to find a local cluster of casinos. Think AC, Shreveport, Biloxi and Tunica. So basically a reply to Random Rollers comments.
     
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  5. Freddyy, Apr 11, 2018

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    If you ask me, any bonus bet is crap. Fire or ats...rather focus on making 10 times the same number then 6 different ones. My press will surpass any bonus I could’ve had.
     
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  6. random_roller, Apr 11, 2018

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    I hardly ever hit the same number 10 times during a roll. I suspect I have pretty good company in that regard. Hitting the same number several times during a roll, sure, that happens more often. But I have a knack for throwing many different numbers, which is what makes the ATS bets relatively attractive from my perspective. It's a bonus when the ATS hits, no doubt. But before it hits, there is money to be made on place bets. When those bets hit for the first time, they also count towards completing the ATS. Win win.
     
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    Now you've done it, DeMango, and Dave are on their way right now to KICK YOUR ASS. Nobody is allowed to make derogatory remarks about these beloved bets. :D
     
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  8. Freddyy, Apr 11, 2018

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    Bring it! 30 HA bet ...won’t prove any skill.

    Now bring your 10 to 750 in 7 hits and collect 1500 a pop... that is skill!
     
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  9. DeMango, Apr 11, 2018

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    Spent a fair amount of bandwidth texting a crapster that ATS is for gamblers. I was wrong of course, found a table with great bounce characteristics and did make the bet and had one ALL victory at 4-2-4. The sets I used came highly recommended by Bone Tracker, of course.
     
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    There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's no place like home.............:cool:
     
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  11. BuckShot, Apr 12, 2018

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    I live 11 minutes walking distance to the casino. I find when you live that close, it' doesn't pay to be greedy. when you can take a $200 win/day or more why be greedy. If i'm tired I go home to sleep and when I'm fully awake, I hit the tables.
    If I'm down money that day. I leave and come back another day or later that day.
    Being close does have advantages.
     
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    And sometimes disadvantages!. :)
     
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    To a winner , being close can only be an advantage
    Easier to
    "GET IN , GET ON , GET UP ,GET OUT and GET HOME"
    BuckShot has an advantage
     
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  14. random_roller, Apr 12, 2018

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    From my perspective, it's not necessarily skill getting to $750 on 7 hits on a 10 (or 4) bet, either. I've done that on occasion, too, both as the shooter and when others have hit the number repeatedly: buy for $25 / buy for $50 / buy for $100 / put w/$200 odds / put w/$400 odds / put w/$800 odds -- 6 hits -- and kept pressing each subsequent hit until the 7 out. Wednesday night was an unremarkable time at the craps tables. I missed the first 2 times a shooter hit the 4 en route to hitting it 7 times. Unfortunately, nobody else came close to hitting the 4 or 10 that many times, but one of the outside ATS bets (e.g., All Tall or All Small) hit 4 times (2x by chuckers, 2x by dice setters), not counting the time the All Tall hit while I was waiting to buy in at the table.

    If one is at the craps table (with sufficient bankroll) at the right time, it's hard to go wrong. And if one is at the table at the wrong time, it's seemingly very hard to do anything right (other than taking a breaking or leaving).
     
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  15. random_roller, Apr 12, 2018

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    C'mon, you gotta bet more on yourself on the ATS, lol.
     
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  16. BuckShot, Apr 13, 2018

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    Random_Roller, It's actually more conservative but doable to simply bet $30 each on Buy4 & Buy10 pay the extra $2.00 then after one win, Drop $3 and Parlay the number to $90 followed by another win going to $250 and collecting a purple chip after each win.

    In all honesty, I've gotten my 10 up to $90 but then shooter seven'd out so I never got to enjoy any large wins.
     
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  17. DeMango, Apr 13, 2018

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    Actually I can do that without cost! I was betting 4-2-4, had the dealers up for 2-1-2. Next time, 4-4-4 for me, 1-1-1 for the dealers. Would have paid me $350 more.
     
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  18. random_roller, Apr 13, 2018

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    At my local casino, if I buy the 10 & 4 for $30 each at the same time, I'm charged a $3 vig upfront ($1 per $20 of the total buy bet) for the bets. If I buy the 10 & 4 for $25 each at the same time, I'm charged a $2 vig upfront for the bets. However, I can buy the 10 or 4 for up to $35 and get charged $1 vig upfront, wait a roll, and then do the same thing for the other number if I want to save a dollar or 2 on the vig.

    Your approach is more conservative? Hmmm...that's debatable. Parlaying that first hit is great, provided you get that 2nd hit, which is by no means guaranteed. If you don't get that 2nd hit on the 10 (or 4), you're out considerably more by having pressed the initial hit to $90 (and dropping a few extra dollars for the increased vig) instead of banking some (or all) of the proceeds from the 1st hit. That initial $30 bet would be lost, along with the vig (which varies by casino). Many casinos charge $1 vig for up to $35 initial buy, but then typically charge $1 per $20 total buy bet, so a $90 buy 10 would result in a $4 vig, not $3. My approach of pressing the $25 buy 10 (or 4) to $50 on the 1st hit and banking $25 means I would be out the $3 vig ($1 + $2) if the 10 (or 4) doesn't hit a 2nd time -- which happens more than I would like. By "out" I mean chips from the rack, not pressed profits. If I hit a $100 buy 10 (or 4), I'll convert to a put bet so I don' t have to pay the $10 vig for a $200 buy 10 (or 4) bet. Yes, I have slightly more at risk at that point -- $225 vs $200 -- but I also didn't have to pay the upfront $10 vig, so really only $15 more at risk. On the next hit, I would receive $425 vs $400 on the $200 buy bet.
     
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  19. random_roller, Apr 13, 2018

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    If memory serves, you mentioned you throw a relatively high amount of 3s on the come out. If so, that really leaves the 2 as the key for hitting the All Small. Of course, nothing is a given -- I've been stopped on an All All by a 6 -- but it's usually the 2 or 3 (as expected) that stops most shooters from hitting the All Small. If you can "eliminate" the 3 as an obstacle because you have a propensity to roll that number on the come out (more than expected), I think you're ahead of the game for the All Small. Perhaps you might consider betting more on the All Small when you're the shooter.

    If I hit one end of the ATS, I'm back on for a larger amount. So if I start off 5-5-5 and hit the All Tall, I'll be back on it for $10 to $25, depending upon how things are going.
     
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  20. DeMango, Apr 14, 2018

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    Here is the reply from Irish:


    P.S. Hey Homeless Dave from CT! Moved out of your homeless encampment yet? Thanks for visiting!
     
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