Gargoil's thoughts on DI

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  1. gargoil, Oct 4, 2017

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    I am a DI. Well okay not exactly. No one is a DI. No one is influencing the dice. People try to influence the dice and very few are successful most of the time but nobody is successful ALL the time. So what is it exactly that we do? Well if you are James Hall then you can snipe hard ways and in three rolls make $5000.00 and walk away a rich man. For the rest of us, it's complicated.

    Some will tell you that they can hit more specific numbers than other numbers on a given table using a given dice set. Others will tell you they can spot the bias in two dice out of the 5 or 6 on the table and use it to their advantage. The real ones will tell you it's a lot of work and the advantage is extremely small and that's why the play is short and often. Basically you take your wins and walk.

    Okay so TwoDice asked me to make a post on how DI changed my game so I will accept his request :). I visit the casinos 10 to 12 times a year. I have my preferred places to visit and I follow the same pattern. I ONLY go to the tables I have a "chance" to win on. I don't win all the times but my pattern allows me to take advantage of the wins and offset my losses. I know most of the pit bosses and dealers and they know me by name. I have a card for every casino I play in and I respect them and the fact that I am a guest on their premises.

    I always buy in for the same amount and my betting style is the same. The dealers that know me don't have to ask me what my next move is. My session consists of two turns throwing the dice. However if I make money on the first turn then I am gone. I am a dice setter and in every throw I attempt to influence the dice in a certain manner for the same outcome. NO SEVEN. I don't try and snipe numbers, I don't care what number rolls as long as it's not a seven. So how is that different than random? Well maybe there is no difference but in my opinion (and that's my opinion and not a fact) I set the dice and throw it in the same manner every throw while someone else shake's the dice and rolls it. So while some may think the outcome is random, the throw is consistent.

    I think that's pretty good for a first post. You guys want to talk dice sets or table conditions or whatever then let's go. Anyone wants to call bullshit then that's okay. That's your opinion and you are free to pointed out.
     
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  2. eagleeye2, Oct 4, 2017

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    gargoil,

    The $64,000 Question is: With your Philosophy & Technique, do you Win more $$$ than you Lose playing CRAPS in the Casino's???

    If NOT, you are need of more of something!!!

    eagleeye2
     
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  3. gargoil, Oct 4, 2017

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    I win more than I lose and thank you but I don't need anything more from anyone. I am content.
     
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  4. eagleeye2, Oct 4, 2017

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    gargoil,

    You are obviously a GOOD DI from your response.

    eagleeye2
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Oct 4, 2017

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    Gargoil,

    What set do you shoot out of? Does this change from roll 1 to roll 2 if your results during roll 1 were not what you wanted? If so, what do you change to?

    I am curious about your play, where you stated the dealers know what you are doing next. Do you mean your style of pressing or expanding?

    Are you place betting? If so, how many numbers are you typically out on a one time?

    It is always good to hear about another's preferred style of play, especially one who tends to do well.
     
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  6. twodicebilly, Oct 4, 2017

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    Gargoil


    I would not belittle you with nonsense like this, what in the hell is wrong with you.

    tdb
     
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  7. gargoil, Oct 4, 2017

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    I usually start out with the hard way set and will only change it if I see something in roll 1 that causes me to change.

    The dealers know about my betting and pressing habits and again that's those who know me. I play across the line from the start.
     
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  8. gargoil, Oct 4, 2017

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    Dude seriously?
     
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  9. HornHiYo, Oct 4, 2017

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    Nice thread Gargoil. Could you please describe tables you do not have a chance to win on and why is It you do not adapt and overcome them?
     
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  10. twodicebilly, Oct 4, 2017

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    Ya Dude seriously........

    I guess I could have answered like this.....

    I played Monday night and I got there about 7:30 and the table was not open , but since there were
    two of us they opened it...

    Another guy joined before the first hand. I started and I got three points the first hand. I am sure it
    was luck but I was happy anyway.. The next guy just threw the dice without setting and he had
    3 eights in a row.....Then dave got the dice and it was a seven out....Boy was he mad.

    So then it was my turn again and since I had a good roll the first time I again picked the dice up
    together and threw them.....It was such a short table one of the dice hit and went sideways and
    sure as hell it was a seven.

    I did not track the rolls that night because that kind of stuff does not work anyway.

    The other two guys had a short roll and left so I had the table to myself.... I did try one set and then
    another but I don't remember how that went. One time I did have a 12 and then an eleven. If I
    knew I was going to do that I could have bet the horn.

    When I quit I am not sure if I was ahead or I lost, but I do lose most of the time so I expect I did
    again.....

    that is my report, I hope it was not to much over the top with DI stuff and real secrets.


    twodicebilly
     
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  11. gargoil, Oct 4, 2017

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    Some tables are always busy so I don't even try. When you are in Vegas for example where u have different options of casino, crew and table bounce you don't need to try and adapt. You just go to the ones you like.
    Now if your are limited to table choices then yes you will need to spend time and adapt.
     
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  12. HornHiYo, Oct 4, 2017

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    Right on there Gargoil. I believe Irishsetter coined “DI”. He thought it more appropriate than dice controller “DC”. But neither is accurate. As you probably know Jerry Patterson marketed the original PARR Toss and much like you he believed more in the rythym rolling concept and sevens avoidance. Hence Patterson’s Advanced Rythym Roll (PARR). Twas Axis Power and GCT that promotes staying on-Axis, sniping number, dice influencing and such that none have proven in action beyond random results.
     
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  13. gargoil, Oct 4, 2017

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    TwoDice, I am not sure what to tell you. Already started good back and forth with a few posters. Apparently what we have here is a failure to communicate. So far I do not have questions from you. Only sarcasm.
     
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  14. HornHiYo, Oct 4, 2017

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    Are you saying then that the reason you can’t win at some tables is because they are crowded? You could come back when the table is not busy and win?
    What type of table do you prefer in terms of length, cover, position, bounce and pyramid size?,
     
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  15. gargoil, Oct 4, 2017

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    Nail just got busted on the head. And now you know what I try to do.
     
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  16. gargoil, Oct 4, 2017

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    I play early mornings and some casinos in Vegas for example still have left over drunk crowds from the night before and usually they are the same establishments. I don't come back when the crowds die down because once my morning play is done then I am done for the day. Time to enjoy other things
     
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  17. HornHiYo, Oct 4, 2017

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    Nice. I play much the same early pattern, usually Sunday’s thru Thursday’s. In your opening post you say you only go to tables you have a chance to win on. Do you base that on the number of players at the table or the table itself? If it’s the table, what is it about the table that gives you to a better chance to win?
     
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  18. lone irish digit, Oct 4, 2017

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    Speaking of drunks. The first time I ran into Gargoil was in Vegas a few years ago. I took Barney there to celebrate his 85th birthday and on his birthday we got really, really drunk at Bally’s. I just played VP because I was way too drunk for craps but after awhile we decided to walk over to Bills. When we got to the walking bridge over Flamingo, Barney passed out and I just sat him down hoping he could score a little spare change.


    As best that I can remember, I stumbled into Bills and moved to a table to just make a few bets. I was too drunk to toss the dice and passed them. Gargoil got the dice and proceeded to go on a heater. There was a lot of hooping, hollering, and ass slapping and I think I was making some good money. Although it all is very foggy, I think he hit a 6 point fire bet and I made a lot of money.


    I hope I didn’t puke on the table, but the next think I remember was waking up on the damn walking bridge with Barney and had dried up puke on my clothes. I had plenty of Bill’s chips so I cashed them after my head cleared a few hours later. I was going to try my luck at craps but security stopped me and said I was banned from gambling in their casino for some reason or another. I gave Barney his share for some party dates and I proceeded to walk down to James Hall’s favorite table at Margaritaville. I bought in at the table with dried up puke still on my clothes which caused the table to empty out. I then played one hand where I hit a 6 point fire bet.


    This was the trip which caused me to stop drinking.
     
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  19. gargoil, Oct 4, 2017

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    The table itself. I go after neutral to little bounce. 12 footers same as the one I have. Pyramid sizes don't bother me much. I am mostly a bottom lip feeder.
     
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  20. gargoil, Oct 4, 2017

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    LID... boy that brings back some good memories... Remember the days we owned those tables at the Cromwell? Before they opened that stupid night club. Now I never go there.
     
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  21. HornHiYo, Oct 4, 2017

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    Shooting Underhand?
     
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