Gaming Commission Comedy of Errors …

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Harley, Jun 26, 2015.

  1. Onautopilot, Jan 29, 2016

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    I have no idea what you are referring to here.

    The original question was, how would the casino expect to fair if they offered a completely "fair" game. A coin flip type thing. My answer above was in reference to that.
     
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  2. TDVegas, Jan 29, 2016

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    I'm going to go out on a limb here...not being a math guy...
    "Statistical probability"??

    It's either statistics...a gathering of numbers to analyze
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    Probabilities....the expected numbers.

    What the hell is a statistical probability?

    I'll go out on another limb here. There is no way this guy is in possession of an engineering degree. Maybe from an Internet college or something, but there is no way someone who is so lacking in the basics of math could be awarded a degree in Engineering. If so, we are in trouble.
     
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  3. KokomoJoe4, Jan 30, 2016

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    Obviously, the "best" time to perform these dice checks would be as the sticks are opened, BEFORE they are put into play.

    Again I ask, do the casinos perform any such checks?

    My guess is maybe once in a blue moon, after some sort of "incident" at the tables.
     
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  4. Pressit, Jan 30, 2016

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    I have only witnesses one such check, this was at the Harrah's casino in Chester, PA. A dealer was sitting at a yet unopened table inserting a die at a time into the balancing caliper, spinning the die, watching the die, but stopping the die in mid spin mode. I offered her a suggested maybe she should wait till the die stops. My recommendation went unheeded.
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Jan 30, 2016

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    LOL, Nobody seems to like it when someone tells them how to do their job!
     
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    A dealer prepping the dice?

    Who the hell is running this popcorn stand?
     
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  7. eagleeye2, Jan 30, 2016

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    "Statistical Probability", is the Likelyhood or Probability that an event will happen, as established by the use of statiastics, drawn from relatively small sample sizes.

    FYI, Statistics Predict the Likelyhood of an event happening, with smaller sample sizes than millions of ttrials, that would otherwise be necessary!

    What a HOOT the uneducated are!

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  8. eagleeye2, Jan 30, 2016

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    7uwin,

    Not Management, they avoid all efforts to check for Dice Balance!

    Yuck, yuck, yuck...
     
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    Well seeing that I was a craps dealer for 10yrs a casino manager for 20yrs and have FORGOTTEN more about this game than you will EVER KNOW and NEVER saw an unchecked set of dice go on to a game in 30+ yrs
    I have come to the conclusion that you sir, are just a beaten man.
     
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  10. eagleeye2, Jan 30, 2016

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    7uwin,

    Kindly POST that Casino where such abnormal checking took place, so we can all play there!

    eagleeye2
     
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    I give up eagleeye.......I learned a long time ago that you cannot rationalize with irrational people
     
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  12. eagleeye2, Jan 30, 2016

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    7uwin,
    Did that Wise Man also tell you that when you post things as FACTS, that you may be challenged to back them up?
    Your post above is a "Cop Out" to failing to list a Casino that supports your claims in Post #130

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  13. TDVegas, Jan 30, 2016

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    Nonsense. You just used your own stats to justify your skewed idea of what the probabilities are for bias dice, equally. Then you applied that to every single dice in usage as though every single dice has the same exact bias...hence, your stupid logic that any bias dice, whatever the bias, will show more 7's.
     
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  14. Onautopilot, Jan 30, 2016

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    Probability theory, and statistical analysis.....great tools if you understand how to use them! You couldn't even understand how they are used to compute the expectations associated with a bias dice.

    The Midnight Skulker is one of the most experienced, and knowledgeable people here on this forum, if not the most knowledgeable, on probability theory, and statistical analysis.

    He performed a complete analysis of the different bias possibilities, and the expected results of each bias.....even down to the .00001 percentage factor for some of the biases. He provided the charts, and explained the mathematical process for arriving at that data.

    That data gave the exact bet value changes for the different bias conditions, showing the change in HA for the different available bets on the craps table..

    You ignored his "work"....probably because you could not comprehend it.

    Until you are able to provide such data to back up your "flawed" concepts on bias "expectation"....which you can not, your continued erroneous proffers can only be viewed as nonsensical, and ignorant.
     
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  15. Onautopilot, Jan 30, 2016

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    Really? Well, you must not have listened to that "wise" man.

    You stated as fact, that any bias in the dice, always produces more 7"s than that expected with two fair dice.

    Try backing that up with probability mathematics....show your work!
     
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  16. SevenOut, Jan 30, 2016

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    Sometimes ignorance is the best offense when losing an argument or debate.

    If I were to say I won $124 shooting Craps yesterday, and another says he won $9,458... who to believe? Of course, the one who won $9,458. And... everyone wants to know How this is Done.

    It is done within the ether of one's mind. Ether: the medium that transmits radio waves.

    I am amazed, actually not, but will act amazed that there are some who will not accept the word and experience of professionals and well learned amateurs, that Christmas and April Fool's day are on different days and months of the year.

    It makes for great discussion, but when the sun sets in the West... these acorns among Craps Players insist that once a nut, always a nut.
     
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  17. Sancho Panza, Jan 30, 2016

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    Virtually every one of the dozens of casinos I've played in and was early enough to watch tables prep and open up. The fact that you haven't ever seen this, either by supervisors or dealers, indicates a serious lapse.
     
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  18. SevenOut, Jan 30, 2016

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    A Craps Table is a hunter's dream come true.

    You need a license to hunt deer, and only see elk in the forests.
    You need a license to hunt elk, and only see moose in the forests.
    Although any fool, with cash to burn, can shoot dice as a Craps Player inside a building.

    A Craps Player needs no license to shoot. A Craps Player needs no Dice Safety Classes to hunt. A Craps Player need not even understand why he is standing at a 14 foot tub, surrounded by other Hunters looking for a fair game of the hunt, as if they are sitting in a tree to idle their time before something shows up.

    The hunt is having a plan, a SYSTEM of Play and Bankroll, which is the ammunition putting clout to your system. Without either, a System or Bankroll... nor understanding what you are hunting... maybe try golf. For many, hunting for errant balls in the rough might put you at the top of your game. A golf ball is round and not biased.
     
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  19. TDVegas, Jan 30, 2016

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    What he has done is the equivalent of going outside, taken 10 steps on the flat ground...then comes in here and declares "the earth is flat"..."I have the statistical data to support it".

    If he can get someone to support him and jump on the boat, maybe they can sail to the edge.

    He also wants people to believe that if a weighted 6 side die is rolled with a random die....in fact the probability is NOT that a 1 will appear on the bias die, but rather a 5. Why that is?...I have no idea. It's not rooted in any earthly theory.

    He's trolling...but I still enjoy pointing out the stupidity.
     
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  20. SevenOut, Jan 30, 2016

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    Actually as some are looking at this... A dealer "perping" the dice.

    Sorting OUT the balanced dice with Biased dice to favor Hard 8's and 6's since I am expected to play that day.
     
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