Game Plan??

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  1. Badcompany12, Feb 28, 2018

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    Does anyone set rules on their play?? I give myself 3 rolls to make it happen.(Im a set & rhythm shooter. I also try to visualize the shot. I want to get myself into the zone. Not worrying about outside noise from other players & dealers) If I cannot get a roll in 3 attempts Im done. I preserve my bankroll & done for the day. I do in the meantime bet one number on other shooters to see if they will take off (most shooters just chuck the dice) I watch & study the game to make my game better. Pressing techniques to make the most out of those repeaters. Anybody can bet, throw the dice, win, lose, but do they have a game plan on the way they play. Timing is important to. Being well rested, focused on play & probably many more tools are needed to have a good performance. Crap shooting is like a pitcher in baseball. Mechanics & different sets. I know most do not believe in controlled shooting, but it does help with practice. Well anyway. Good luck to everyone. My personal best shot was August 2011 at Paris Casino (1hour 40 minutes) Since then alot of good shots, but not like that monster.
     
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    To start, I use the 5 count on all shooters. Once past the 5 count, I like to be up on three numbers with either a PL/CB with 2x odds and 6&8. If a single bet does not hit when up on three numbers then that’s strike one for me. If I get to three strikes then if I’m ahead I pickup. If I’m behind I play one DC with 1x odds. I leave then until I’m back to even or if it gets back to me for one last roll. I want to give myself one last shot before I leave. If I have one strike then I leave if I double my buyin. Two strikes then I leave if I have 50% profit.
     
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  3. $nakeEye$, Mar 1, 2018

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    Either Scoblete's " 5 Count " or the Dice Doctor's " Repeating Box Numbers " works for me -

    I am MORE partial to the " Repeating Box Numbers " -

    1st hit on a bet - I usually " Full Press " -

    Then do a 1/3 press and a 2/3 rack on subsequent wins -

    Two craps numbers in a row and my bets are " OFF " until TWO box numbers are thrown -

    Unusual activity at the table - " BETS OFF " -

    Questions re payouts, drink girl , new money on the table , arguments, shooter being warned , etc.

    If I feel there is a problem with the dice or the table - I walk -

    Table fills up - I walk -

    Idiots at the table - either side of the table - I walk !


    TOO many suitable opportunities exist here - IF - one takes the time to look and has patience !

    Way too many people come here with a limited time to play and play under less than optimum conditions -

    Which is exactly what the casinos rely upon -

    Squeeze them in like sardines and raise the table min when the table starts to dump !




    $...eE..$
     
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  4. Freddyy, Mar 2, 2018

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    Five count isn’t a perfect play... it cuts you from a lot of profit. I rather wait for a box number or two after point is set. It usually is enough to cut the shortest rolls from play.

    12$ 6&8, 10$ come.

    Move 6&8 from 12$ to 18$ together then collect once and one at a time make it 42-66-66-90-90-180-240-510-510-900...

    Come is used as a buffer for the first roll, but if it rolls a yo or When 10$ come return as a win take 5&9 10$ each. And move em one at a time 10-25-35-60-100-100-175-250-500-750...

    That make 34$ with 14$ exposed max on first roll.

    If 4 or 10 is rolled twice take it for 10.
    Go 10-25-40-100-100-250-500...

    It doesn’t look like much but you will quickly profit more then the 34-37$ you invested. 14$ at risk on first roll you drop...and a progressive play that pays big money quick.

    Note that I like a full collect by 4th repeaters cuz it won’t exceed it often.

    And regression isn’t a bad idea from time to time, but only once per shooter.

    Say you have a decent roll and collect a nine at 100, a six at 66 and a 8 at 90. You made more then 400$ out of your 34$ start. But if get a great hand... you are collecting thousands easy.
     
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  5. wonko33, Mar 2, 2018

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    just curious

    1- Why take your bets off for unusual activity? Just personal observation over the year?

    2- what kind of problem with the dice do you look for? roll in a weird way? Spin? ....
     
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  6. $nakeEye$, Mar 2, 2018

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    BECAUSE ANY of THOSE instances could / would cause the shooter to lose his FOCUS -

    As SOME might be so inclined to say - " Get out of the Zone " !

    Some people are more readily intimidated by the casino personnel and events at the table than others -


    Regards the dice - an exorbitant amount of craps numbers being thrown by one or more shooters -

    More than usual certain combinations of the 7 -out -

    If you see more - say - 4 / 3 combinations of the 7-out than the 5 / 2 or the 6 / 1 -

    There is a distinct possibility you could be playing with " Imbalanced Dice " -


    IF you can NOT capitalize on this phenomenon - go elsewhere - there are MANY games available - especially in Las Vegas -

    As well as other casino destinations with more than one casino !


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  7. Dave G Ct, Mar 2, 2018

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    Another thing a random shooter tosses 4 or 5 7' s on CO do not bet with him.Usually will 7 out early.
     
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  8. Onautopilot, Mar 2, 2018

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    What do you base this statement on? And why do you think that is happening?

    You are speaking of random shooters, and seem to think past rolls somehow effect future rolls....do you believe that?
     
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  9. Dave G Ct, Mar 2, 2018

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    Certainly do.Seen it happen majority of the time.A shooter hitting 2 or 3 7' s great- but 4 or 5 he usually turns into a Jonah- avoid this creature lol
     
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    What is the mechanism that causes this anomaly. A cause and effect?
     
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  11. $nakeEye$, Mar 2, 2018

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    I would venture an " educated " guess that with the " 7 " being the MOST prevalent number to be produced with two dice -

    WITHOUT taking " countermeasures " to attempt to reduce their appearance -

    ONE - the " Random Roller " is wholly at the mercy of which dice set is presented to him / her by the stick person !


    Other than THAT - I can NOT intelligently offer a valid explanation why this occurs - BUT - I have seen IT on NUMEROUS occasions !


    I have also witnessed numerous " 7's " being produced by people setting the dice to avoid the " 7 " !


    Could the terms " variance " - and / or - " streaks " come into play here ?


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  12. rongarm10, Mar 2, 2018

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    The problem that I have with the 5 count is very simple. Most people have said that a 7 is rolled within 6-7 rolls, I think that is the number of rolls that has been mentioned, and you don't bet until after the 5 count has been completed, that does not give one much room to hit any numbers to give one some winners, especially if a 7 is that much closer to being rolled within the 6-7 roll window. Just sayin.
     
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  13. TDVegas, Mar 2, 2018

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    Obviously the 5 count will work sometimes...and sometimes not. I highly doubt there is any magic formula for success. You could miss box numbers on those first 5 rolls....then again you might miss 6-7....5-6-7.....9-7.

    The one benefit of the 5 count?
    No wagering for 5 rolls. You can't lose what isn't bet. Can't win either.
    Only if box numbers are rolled (non 7's) early. It's a two way street. It can hurt. It can help. If someone wants to tell me they can predict in advance...then I excuse myself from the debate.
     
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  14. Onautopilot, Mar 3, 2018

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    Much of what we believe or think about the game, is based on observation .....so, good a take as any I reckon. Except that it is not something that lends its self to empirical evidence.

    So in this case. we are left with anecdotal evidence, which is subject to bias....but then, much of what many people believe is based on that. "He said, She said.". :)
     
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  15. Freddyy, Mar 3, 2018

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    Well, good reply for sure. But like I say, from experience I like to play after 1-2 box number, I am looking for trends to bet so I won’t bet before I see what I want hitting...I think the 5 count is too long and cost you money, say you get two more repeaters cuz you bet early, in my world that can change everything. Most decent rolls will reach 12 rolls or about...monster rolls usually tend to happend every 2h ish maybe more, and that’s on good nights. So you better plan on being profitable early. You’re still going to lose some. But say you cut 10-15% of your losses by skipping pso. It’s a good start IMHO.
     
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  16. Mssthis1, Mar 3, 2018

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    The vast majority of players will win money on a hand with several come out sevens, even if the shooter seven outs early. I like to see come out sevens no matter who the shooter is. They're a lot less painful than seven outs unless you're on the don't pass.

    Short hands are one of the primary reasons that come bets don't suck.
     
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  17. Chip Magnet, Mar 3, 2018

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    Thanks for sharing. I play very similar, but less aggressively.

    Ran it as you described against 12,450 real dice rolls

    Starting Bankroll = $10,000

    Results:

    High = $15,821
    Low= $8,136
    End = $ 14,369

    My less aggressive strategy ends with $13,155. Also good, but not as good.

    You might consider eliminating the Come bet.

    Same 12,450 rolls without Come bet:

    High=18,253
    Low = $8,401
    End= $16,429

    Highest bet reached = $900
     
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  18. Freddyy, Mar 3, 2018

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    ... do you move the come bet to 5&9 on a winner? I made 8k on a random gen while testing.
     
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  19. tabletop123, Mar 3, 2018

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    Twelve rolls is considered ONLY decent? Doubling the expected 1:6 is a bit more than decent, wouldn't you say?

    Depending on the amount of crap numbers, & "Come out" 7's, & 11"s....an 7 roll hand is a money maker.

    You have to learn how to win off of the "shortie" hands. THAT'S the key to winning. Everyone ( ESPECIALLY Dice Influencers) expect to toss 8 rolls, & beyond most hands.....Ain't gonna happen, but keep believing! Lol
     
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  20. TDVegas, Mar 3, 2018

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    Yep, yep and yep.

    Yesterday, dice past around the bubble 3 times. I think the longest roll was about six. Lots of 4-7...10-7...5-8-7 type rolls.

    Come bet let's you keep some ammo IF things turn. They did...but the best I could do is get back even. That's ok, live to fight another day.

    Craps is timing coupled with sensible betting.

    Long rolls are just not the norm.
     
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