# Full Press Trespassed for life from Holywood KC

Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by lone irish digit, Oct 14, 2017.

1. TDVegas, Oct 24, 2017

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For those who don't know much....with Rick at the top, I'll answer.
First off....ANY machine that accepts money thru a slot is classified as a slot machine.
You have absolutely NO understanding on this matter. Yes, they are slot machines because they accept money thru a slot. That's where it ends. They do not pay like traditional slots that have a hold. Bubble craps MUST offer the same probabilities as table craps. That...is....law.
Once again...YES, they must offer the same probabilities as a live table game.
Wrong. In Nevada, electronic games like bubble craps which is a representation of a live table game MUST offer the same probabilities.
Absolutely NOT. The law is clear. Bubble craps mimics a live table game and MUST offer the same probabilities.

You know less about bubble craps.

Stick with what you do know...innumeracy.

For gaming devices that are representative of live gambling games, the mathematical probability of a symbol or other element appearing in a game outcome must be equal to the mathematical probability of that symbol or element occurring in the live gambling game.

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2. HornHiYo, Oct 24, 2017

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and in real casinos.

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3. von duck, Oct 24, 2017

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If the power ball lottery, reaches 300 million, it becomes statistically a "good" bet. Does that mean you have any better chance of winning it, I don't think so. Statistics can be very misleading, if you don't know how to interpret them, and many do not. TD. Is one of them. .

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4. eagleeye2, Oct 24, 2017

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If they are using ""OLD"" firmware they may pay out a tad over 100%.

With the newer Firmware, where they re-insert the ""Throw Away Cards"" prior to the second dealt hand, NOT SO!

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5. von duck, Oct 24, 2017

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Ah-Ha, exactly as I suspected. What the hell is firmware, and these "throw away cards. My best guess would be that these machines, pay out a "tad" less than 100%. .

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6. lone irish digit, Oct 24, 2017

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Very interesting....There is strong suspicion the repeat use of throw away card occurs in some Western Indian Casinos but very doubtful in an off-strip local casino unless possibly it's a sweat joint. I would think some small print on the machine providing notice of "repeaters" would be given. I don't know if repeaters are a fact or another urban legend but if I ever got a repeater, I would get Barney and tell him I have to go to the men's room; have him count to 100 and then commence to hit the hell out of the glass, as I sidle out to a craps table.

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7. TDVegas, Oct 24, 2017

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Typically you cannot be dealt a discard back into your hand. After 5 cards are dealt...you can only get back cards from the remaining 47.

I remember a while back....pooper posted a picture that may have had some other wording about discards. Can't remember if it was from a Vegas casino.

Including discards would kick up the house edge....2%....3%.

I highly doubt any competent vp poker player would EVER tolerate a game where discards can be dealt back to them.

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8. Onautopilot, Oct 24, 2017

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Mainly people play the higher Ha machines because they do not know the payoff schedules. And the ones that do, have a hard time finding the 98+% machines, any 100% promotion machine usually has a "butt" sitting at it.

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9. TDVegas, Oct 24, 2017

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Well...there were 3 empty +100% machines today.

Next time you get to Vegas.

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10. Onautopilot, Oct 24, 2017

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That is unreal, can't imagine the serious VP players were not sitting at these machines. Yes, I hope they are still there and available next time I get through that way! Can't get much better odds than that in Vegas, or anywhere else.

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11. TDVegas, Oct 24, 2017

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Interesting.

They caught my eye when I saw +100%. They are right next to the bubble.

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12. yacraps, Oct 24, 2017

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Huh.. every time I try to bring my phone to the casino the extension cord is never long enough.. and when I go to use it I cant even get a dial tone...#@ck..

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13. random_roller, Oct 24, 2017

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Nevada Gaming Statutes & Regulations -- Starting point.
http://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=51

Regulation 14 (14.040, Page 9)
http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=2921

FYI, NRS 463.0155 defines "Gaming device". NRS = Nevada Revised Statutes
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-463.html#NRS463Sec0155

Also note Section 14.040 Subsections 9 & 10 (Page 9):

Typical of many state statutes, you have to read multiple sections to even begin to get a feel for what is going on. No time (or real desire) for me to delve into this type of review & analysis.

Finally, note Regulation 7A (Patron Disputes):
http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=2936

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14. yacraps, Oct 24, 2017

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Wow.. Roller you are my man to defend me in court when I put a hurt on my base dealer for telling me the come bet sucks ...

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15. random_roller, Oct 24, 2017

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Lol, thanks yacraps. I have adopted the role of Switzerland on this forum w/r/t any disputes and generally resist the temptation to take sides (sports & a few non-craps subjects notwithstanding). The verbal warfare exchanges I save for college football forums.

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16. DeMango, Oct 25, 2017

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Switzerland does not root for the Burning River Indians!

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17. Edward-ky, Oct 25, 2017

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I dont know and i am proud of that.

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18. Edward-ky, Oct 25, 2017

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What i do know is that what ever payback on a slot machine has nothing to do with table craps payouts.

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19. Mssthis1, Oct 25, 2017

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Some dealers are going to tell you the come bet sucks since it's more work for them.

A couple weeks ago I saw a greenhorn bet \$50 on the pass after a 10 was already established as a point. I told him to slide it back on the line so he'd get paid better. The dealer said nothing. When it hit the dirty bastards only paid him \$90 instead of buying it for him. Since I was busy shooting I decided to stay out of it and went the Switzerland route.

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