Full Monte Craps- FMC exposes a system that works

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  1. TDVegas, Oct 23, 2016

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    While these type of situations (bloodbath) are difficult to witness or partake in....what I find more discouraging is seeing players make 3x, 4x, 5x or more money from their buy in....and give it all back plus more.

    I fully understand people come to Vegas to play and I'm not sure how you balance that when in 20 minutes you're up $300 from your $100 buy in...but it's just brutal seeing someone give it all up. The casino loves it, though.

    Probably the only way to go about playing is set the win limits and have an alternate plan for quick win stoppages (sightseeing, big lunch, big dinner, a show).

    People want to play. It can be a tough balance. Stopping after banking quick money can be tough to do...totally understandable.
     
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  2. SevenOut, Oct 23, 2016

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    I have one big advantage over most on the Craps Forum.

    My wife will play Bubble Craps, but not at a table. She actually prefers Three Way Poker now, as the player has a bit more actual input.

    The 'big advantage'. My wife helped deal Craps, Black Jack, Roulette and Let it Ride at our Gameroom Casino. She understands the dealer's side of each table game and also the Player's Strategy. A sucker is spotted ten feet from a table. A Dealer watches the sucker close up and can diagnose the play quickly. A great education.

    After a couple years being the 'house', it is obvious to us which way the chips flow over the long term. Into the table's Bank.

    If you follow the Casino 'take' in a new Casino State... the flow into the Casino's Bank diminishes over the years. Players get more educated and also... have spent themselves out of frivolous cash to throw away.

    Anyone who 'claims' to be winning... does not seem to explain the System used or how they wager to make these large wins. From watching table action at our Las Vegas Night and Dealer & Player Training Classes... the biggest blow hards were the worst players.

    I am content to making a gain after playing twenty minutes, an hour more or less. More under $300, some break even, once in a Blue Moon a windfall. But frequent Wind Falls... never. The table may have Wind Fall incoming chips... but players? The biggest winners were taking $5 on an Any Eleven and let it ride for a second hit. Then pulling the winnings down and... leave the table. Seen that... once.

    More money is made by Writing about Gaming, not actually participating with money on the table. Make up a few random winners using possible Systems... and the suckers eat it up.

    Ever hear of a Don't Player winning... BIG? They nibble at the edges with flat bets on the Don't Pass and Don't Come. Bringing in chips on choppy tables, but will never win big.

    If you have lots of dead time... be a Don't Pass / Don't Come Player. You may lose some or win some... but get lots of sleepy action whenever you step up to a table.

    Few Players can say they have Dealt Craps, Played Craps and made chip counts when a table is closed down. When you have seen all sides... it is not an education to jump onto a table and know which side of the table is going to take the wind out of your sail.

    We all play for those 'Quirks of Craps' when a table goes on for thirty minutes and you cannot lose. The other 85% of the time... it becomes a spectator sport as your Bankroll has evaporated into stacks of twenty chips within the Table's Bank.
     
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  3. Dave G Ct, Oct 23, 2016

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    Good point about giving your winnings back.If $300 ahead take $150 and put it away and play with the other half.If it goes you are done.
     
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  4. Onautopilot, Oct 23, 2016

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    I have no problem with that....but if I lose the$150, my Avatar says, "O.K. give me the other $150, it's my turn now!". :)
     
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  5. SevenOut, Nov 3, 2016

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    Post #16 on Dice Outcomes:
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    "Spent less than ten minutes at the $5 3x4x5x table at Green Valley Ranch Casino, Henderson, NV after our Feast Buffet. Wife let with $2.50 winnings on the Three Way Poker outside the Feast Buffet.

    Left $128 on the table and pocketed $190. $300 buy in instead of my standard $200.

    I 'predicted' some Hard 6's and Hard 8's in my wagering... and those brought in $180 + $56 off the Place Bets. Hit and Run kept the $190 profit after my short session with a Hard Six for $45, a place six for $7... then seven out. Point was 4... Maybe next time.

    So some of MY predictable Outcomes became actual Paying Outcomes. Used the Full Monte System... and my FIRST WIN for some time."
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    It may have been KJ that also is a Hit and Run Craps Player.

    For some time I have been getting 'Royally' Butt Whipped at the Craps Table, until this evening. Still played this aggressive System.

    The shooter next to me. Playing $5 Pass Line and $5 Come Bets without Odds. He had ALL numbers covered and repeated some for even money on his $5 Come bets. He made... $24.

    I left $96 on the table on his three point, several Hard 6/8 combinations and maybe $145 on his roll.

    Less than 10 minutes and I was heading out to the Parking Lot with the table's $190! The Boxman thanked me by name. Obviously you WIN... they get that onto the computer. Otherwise you are just another nameless loser. I have nameless too often... lately.

    Any of you who have been getting those short non profitable sessions understands how you begin to second guess your even being at the Craps Table.

    Now... ready on Veterans Day for my Free Buffet and give it another big effort to Hit and Run twice in seven days. We will see.
     
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  6. SevenOut, Jul 7, 2018

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    Just a refresher...
     
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  7. SevenOut, Jul 7, 2018

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    Somewhere on this Forum, from the ancient days, is a wonderful Full Monte $100, $200 and $300 Bankroll System of Play.

    You can chose to play like the Idiots that have no clue, nor money... or play to win. Your System is the only possible way to come out ahead at a Craps Table. You are spending too much time following make believe and slight of hand magicians. Their idea of winning is like you driving blindfolded... but with great insurance.

    Everyone can tell you how to lose at the Craps Table. No wonder, they cannot even complete one sentence, even making up how they retired earlier from the 8-5 Job with Craps Winnings.

    Shooting Craps is for disposable income.

    Those who are Professional Craps Players have NO disposable income and are one Social Security or Welfare check to becoming homeless.
     
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  8. Freddyy, Jul 8, 2018

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    Actually if you’re 300$ ahead on a buyin 300$ and lower. Even if you got there 10 mins ago. Go to cashier and lock it up. It’s a 100% profit. Don’t let it get bleeded from 150$
     
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  9. SevenOut, Jul 9, 2018

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    For those who like a challenge:

    Efron's Dice- Wolfram MathWorld
    mathworld.wolfram.com/EfronsDice.html

    These are the mathematicians who do not shoot Craps. Much like Dice Setting and putting in many hours to perfect a toss... these guys/gals spend many hours and do the theoretical end of various dice and Craps.

    I wanted to 'understand' dice... and after this... decided to bypass this as shooting Craps would no longer be any fun.

    I found an article from the Saturday Wall Street Journal dated October 12-13, 2013 page C3 titled The Real Odds on Gambling. How often do players actually win? New data provide new answers by Mark Maremont and Alexandra Berzon. A photo of Machine Gun McCain 1969 movie shooting Craps... look at their wagers. Obviously, who ever set up the props on the table was a Blackjack Player.

    If you cannot find it on the Internet. 11% of Gamblers who ended up in the black over two years in the Bwin sample. The Ratio of gamblers who lost more than $5,000 to those who won more than $5,000 is 31 to 1.

    I find following Threads on the CrapsForum much easier to follow and more interesting.
     
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  10. SevenOut, Jul 9, 2018

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    Before you get too off track... the Efron's Dice is a bit fabricated. Warren Buffet found it interesting. I did not.

    Find the paper on Dice. It will show a pair of dice folded out flat and formulas. You already know this stuff. They prove it. Math Geeks are watching a Craps Table and taking notes.
     
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  11. von duck, Jul 9, 2018

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    Double your buy-in, is a realistic session goal. I very rarely "walk". On a winning bet though, I generally make them beat me out of at least one bet before I'll walk. :cool:
     
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  12. basicstrategy777, Jul 10, 2018

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    Doubling your buy-in is a REALISTIC goal .........that one sentence tells me everything I need to know about what you know about gambling.i.e you know shit.

    777
     
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  13. tabletop123, Jul 10, 2018

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    Personally, I like a 20- 30% win goal in 15-20 minutes, or less.
    See you ya at the Cashier's Cage!
     
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  14. Twelve4s, Jul 10, 2018

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    Realistic, depends if you’re from Mesa, then double would be low expectation, from what I’ve read.
     
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  15. von duck, Jul 10, 2018

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    And yet, you did offer the correct answer, did you? 12/dicks "liked" your post though, so this would also shed some light on "their" mentality, I gotta recalibrate, I was givin WAY too much credit, where it wasn't deserved. :cool: Come on man, give us the "right" answer.
     
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  16. von duck, Jul 10, 2018

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    I could do this same thing, merely by buying in for 3-4 times as much. I do about 12 hours play, on a one day trip, maybe you do more, maybe you do less, but in any case, this stat is hard to quantify, because there are so many definitions, of stake and sessions. :cool:
     
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  17. KokomoJoe4, Jul 10, 2018

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    I agree with the guy who doesn't know shit about gambling, but NOT about gambling. Rather I agree that you should continue to take money off the table until you see a losing bet, then walk.
     
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  18. yacraps, Jul 11, 2018

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    QUOTE="basicstrategy777, post: 227470, member: 1574"]Doubling your buy-in is a REALISTIC goal .........that one sentence tells me everything I need to know about what you know about gambling.i.e you know shit.

    777[/QUOTE]
    Jeez 777s this is the one time I have to disagree with you...for you see Von Duck I am sure whilst swimming in ponds or rivers has come across the infamous brown wrinkle neck trout...so he may not no shit but has at least seen shit
     
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