Full Monte Craps- FMC exposes a system that works

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  1. SevenOut, Jan 30, 2016

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    Fellow Craps Players and Enthusiasts... Craps is not for the simple minded gambler. Although, nothing excludes them from playing.

    If anyone can describe a System in a paragraph, this is for the simple minded and those that do not understand that Craps is a Mathematical Game of Chance and players win, when expected outcomes are not occurring.

    Some call it Deviation of Outcomes.

    Craps is not a card game. Each roll is independent of the previous roll. That is why the ODDS paid at a Craps Table remain the same after each roll of the dice. You will never run out of any die combination from 2 to 12.

    With Bias Dice and Dice Influencing debunked, because the same people believe in BOTH, which are not compatible. If the dice are bias, you cannot affect outcomes by special grips or shots.

    This leaves one viable tested method to win, if at all, at the Craps Table.

    System Players with Bankroll Management skills.

    If dice outcomes are... RANDOM. You must put together a SYSTEM that have enough numbers that pay to hit. You can have a System that is a single shot .22 caliber rifle. Or the other extreme, a shot gun with 00 buckshot will cover about everything in its path.

    How about just 50% of the target? That is the Full Monte. Targeted for the middle section of the Craps Table... 5, 6, 8 and 9. These are 18 of the 36 possible die outcomes with a pair of dice.

    Do you win all of the time? If it did, there would be no Craps Table in a Casino.

    Catching an occasional LONG Session from time to time is used to cover those lean games with losses.

    If you are looking to make a living from winning multiples of bankroll at the Craps Table... go back to DB and DI. It is not possible in my world.

    Casinos allow shooters to orientate dice. Casinos allow any manifestation of holding a pair or orientated dice with various fingers. Why should the Casino care? Without a viable SYSTEM in Play... good luck. Craps requires skills. Not these, though.

    A System that fits your comfort level and a Bankroll that fits your finances.

    The rest is pure... well, should we say... you are pissing into a strong wind. The House Advantage.
     
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  2. KokomoJoe4, Jan 30, 2016

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    I prefer the single shot, 22 caliber to start, and a 50 caliber Browning to finish. :eek:
     
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  3. SevenOut, Jan 30, 2016

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    One way to clear a table of obstacles.
     
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  4. Mugs050, Feb 10, 2016

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    I actually tried this practice yesterday and real today. Now this is on an online casino so maybe the reason I lost at the end was due to some shadiness. However it defiantly is a hit and run. I was quickly 50+ units but then I hit an epic losing streak (many, many 7's) which made me think that something was fishy and it wiped out my bankroll. However If I just walked away after my 50 unit win I would of been happy when playing at the real casino on a fun weekend of gambling.

    Nice system. Going to simulate it some more before I go on a trip to Vegas in a few months.
     
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  5. Mugs050, Feb 11, 2016

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    Ran some practice sims. Using a $100 bank roll winning my target amount about 50% of time. Always letting it ride afterwards and was up $4000 my most recent go, with to tell you the truth no end in sight. I eventually just left the game. It would be hard to duplicate in a real casino because it would take cahonnas to press that hard but still. Dam.
     
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  6. tabletop123, Feb 11, 2016

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    I actually like Seven Out's inside Strategy. Had a very good outing using the insides on my last trip. My Spin off was NO hardway bets, & OFF on the very first roll after the point is established.

    Just a matter of personal preferance, but i AT LEAST want to see the next roll BEFORE my bets are sweeped away. Sure, the PPSO is just as devestating as the PSO, but go ahead & clip my nuts on the second roll after the point is established.

    You cannot outsmart the dice, but Hope springs etetnal. Lol. Also, i STOPPED using the inside bet on other players. I only use it on myself, because (for some FOOLISH reason), i seem,to think that i toss better than the average player Lol.
     
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  7. KokomoJoe4, Feb 11, 2016

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    tt123,

    Your observations through a lot of play have shown you that YOU DO.

    The thing that more than a few wannabe dice influencers seem to forget is that they DO NOT.

    Those of us who are smart enough to see what has worked best, and then to structure our play based on these observations, at least have a rationalization for what we do. We're probably smart enough to know not to expect too much, since the house needs to purchase things like chandeliers, fine wine and toilet paper.

    Then again, we should be smart enough to realize that, at times, a parlay on the [6][6] is the easiest way to turn a white into a purple and 4 blacks.
     
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  8. tabletop123, Feb 11, 2016

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    Koko, i hate to say this, but you have to get your nuts clipped a few times before you can figure things out. What most players do NOT understand is that you have shooting "Quirks", & they DO differ from SESSION TO SESSION. What i mean is that the DICE RULE SUPREME. They tell you what you should, & should NOT bet on.

    Unfortunately these revelations are always Past Tense. Lol. Every session is different, & what MOST dont understand is that Influence (if it does manifest itself) is Fleeting, & very Marginal.

    May as well just lump it in as Positive Short Term Variance, because thats what it really amounts to. There is a HOWEVER!
    There ARE certain situations wherein Positive Short term Variance is so profound, so predictable, so consistent that it makes you go...... Hmmmmmm!

    Those are the moments wherein you have to REALLY evaluate things, because the subliminal gets all fu..ked up, & next thing you know, you're proclaiming influence, with your bets jacked up to the moon, & unfortunately the "Nut Clipper" (Big Red) is lurking in the shadows, just waiting to do his work!
     
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  9. Edward-ky, Feb 24, 2016

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    Now will this system work with bias dice.
     
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  10. Edward-ky, Feb 24, 2016

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    Sorry couldn't help myself. And did you know casino dice opposite sides add to seven.
     
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  11. basicstrategy777, Feb 25, 2016

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    I thought the opposite side of the dice are the sister numbers.

    777
     
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  12. SevenOut, Oct 16, 2016

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    If someone could Dice Set the Full Monte for consistent WINS... lets hear it.

    A highly aggressive System that requires six to seven rolls to await that 'hot roll' we all need to balance our losses and wins.

    A System Player also need Dice Outcomes to even have a chance to even net ZERO in their their lifetime win/loss record book. Look at it as starting a business each time you buy into a Craps Table. You cannot subsidize a losing Business, nor subsidize a Losing Craps Plan without running out of disposable cash.

    I have been down for the last TWO Years, Playing this System. If this does not work for me, I can understand why it cannot work for others who are not as flexible in playing this System.

    Some times, there are Systems you must let Rest in Peace. I have yet to see anything better on active Craps Tables.... buy many players with much worse.
     
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  13. KokomoJoe4, Oct 16, 2016

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    Hello again Seven Out! It is good to hear from you.

    With a 50% chance of a win at every outcome, you have a fine method of play. When the inside numbers come in pairs, so much the better.

    My standard method of play has only a 22% chance of winning, and then only on one roll. It then leaves me with a 45.5, 40.0 or 33.3 per cent chance of a win until decision.

    It reads as a much less likely way to win than your method of play.

    The however here is that I lose only one wager (OK call it two with the odds) with the seven out, whereas you lose as many as six.

    As with business, it is risk vs. reward.

    We both might show slightly better results if we were to play the other way when things are sour.
     
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  14. Dave G Ct, Oct 16, 2016

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    Always liked the 50% hit rate My question - to cut volatility why not in the beginning forego the PL and place the insides for $44 ($5 table)and regress down to $22 inside- take a hit or two then start your pressing?
     
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  15. KokomoJoe4, Oct 16, 2016

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    Because that is not his aggressive style, and it removes what he has stated to be the best bet on the table --- odds.
     
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  16. SevenOut, Oct 22, 2016

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    Yesterday afternoon my wife and I went to Green Valley Ranch Casino at Henderson, Nevada. Thought we would try the overpriced Seafood Buffet to at least say we tried it. GVR and Silverton Casino are off the Strip in Henderson and are convenient and very decent all around. Like both Casinos. Craps Dealers are excellent. Lots of parking. Both with great Buffets to drown your misery within before or after a Craps Session.

    Did not much care for it, but the beef and turkey was great, as usual, and will avoid Friday evening dinner Seafood Buffets. Could have used the extra $35 it cost to put into my Craps Bankroll.

    Although... I wanted to see how other players were playing at the table. I have to hold off until the first of November to keep my $200 Bankroll schedule. Just as well....

    One player must have bought in for $1000 and was playing the Full Monte Craps, other than the Hardways. I was watching his play, which obviously he was not a Newbie and being patient that a long roll was coming, eventually. He was aggressive and kept positive, repeating the aggressive optimism, which I had already lost just watching.

    When the point was 10... he still played all four inside numbers with Place Bets $25 & $35. No hardways.

    The table was being slaughtered. Point Seven Outs. Point. Junk numbers, Seven Out. You get the idea. Not even enough to make the Don't players any money. Each loss was close to $175 per Session. This player did the Point Seven Out on his point and bang! I saved my self the misery of just having blood pouring from my eyes by watching this disaster. A Place Bet would hit, he would press it up from the $30/$25 Inside Place Bet setups to lose it within a couple rolls. Very aggressive game, but the dice were just stiffing any potential rewards... at that time!

    That was a half FULL table taking the beating. Six players, maybe a seventh.

    We walked over to the second table with three players. All were setup on the same side of the table. I wanted to watch the strategy and the immediate outcomes as they... arrived to the empty end of the table. The shooter was setting a pair of two spots UP. No other orientation... just the two spots up on each die. When he delivered, he looked down and waited for the Stickman to make the call. His game was setting up all the numbers and the point with odds. Also the High, Low and All... and making enough to stay even and then... Bang, Seven Out. Seen enough to discourage my play for awhile. We left and I was really fortunate to have just watched.

    Did play the Triple Play Poker video after the Buffet for an hour and brought myself to EVEN money plus 25 cents. Quit as a winner.

    By watching these two tables it is discouraging that everyone might as well thrown their bankrolls onto the carpet and walked out. But no one did. Obviously waiting for the game to turn... and it might have, but we went to the ATM, got my $20.25 and considered myself lucky I did not step up and get into this action.

    Anyone who loses regularly $1000... with this one way losing Session, cannot feel very good about the disaster. The $5 table with 3X-4X-5X Odds during that thirty minutes was a stark reminder than sometimes watching is the best cure for some 'regular' players.

    Myself... if I want my nuts to ache... I will ride my bicycle down Boulder Canyon off road bike trails... at night. This was way too much misery for such a short period of time.
     
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  17. Dave G Ct, Oct 22, 2016

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    I am a firm believer in leaving a table especially after 3 short hands.Get a fresh start at another table you have watched.
     
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  18. TDVegas, Oct 22, 2016

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    There's little doubt "it ain't easy" beating (a win) this game. The victories are cherished. It's great seeing big wins...but when those dice are cold and gamblers continue to load up bets----it's tough to watch.

    Had a small win today that broke a losing streak..what a friggin struggle though.
     
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  19. KokomoJoe4, Oct 23, 2016

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    I would be happy with Seven Out's Henderson experience. Dinner with the wife and an opportunity to play craps. Unlike a lot of you who describe trips to the casino with your better half, mine has no interest in the experience.

    She might stand next to me for 30 min at the table one night, but only when we are somewhere away from home. On occasion she will tell me something like bet on the ten, and of course there will be a winner.

    Maybe a new, better strategy of play would be to go to the table only when accompanied by the warden, and to play only exactly what I am told.

    Sure as hell wouldn't lose much money playing only once a year.
     
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  20. TDVegas, Oct 23, 2016

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    For me that would require leaving the casino and driving to another. Usually only one bubble craps per casino. Not a big deal since the casinos a relatively close by....still, must leave.

    A better option is to hit the sports book and wait for the bubble to "heat up" again a little later.
     
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