For the Love of the Game

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by The Craps_Player, Dec 2, 2016.

  1. Twelve4s, Dec 9, 2016

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    LTWOQ

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    Read em and weep!
     
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  2. TDVegas, Dec 9, 2016

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    James Hall has nuthin on me!!

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  3. Twelve4s, Dec 9, 2016

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    Nice win!

    Metadata included?
     
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  4. TDVegas, Dec 9, 2016

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    I won it last week...took me 1 hour...not a whole weekend like James.;)
    Picture is today:)
     
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  5. HornHiYo, Dec 9, 2016

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    Oh wait til I show this picture to my spouse! It should help pave the way for me to invest more money in this exciting advantage play. Think "WIN" , think "WIN"!
     
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  6. TDVegas, Dec 9, 2016

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    Yessiree...a table full of us DO players today were complaining:rolleyes: (LOL) about this rigged sequence of numbers. Oh...and that lone 7 was a comeout winner. It was probably about 45 rolls by the time the guy was done.

    Those damn slots!!! LOL.

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  7. hartzehn22, Dec 9, 2016

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    Hey all, bias dice can be a very good thing for a craps player. I don't care if the casinos employ them or not, in fact they are sometimes preferred. ;)
     
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  8. random_roller, Dec 9, 2016

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    That's a nice looking check. I'll have to pick up a few for the collection next time I'm in Las Vegas.
     
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    Red rock?

    I had to give up on bubble here which turned out great for me
     
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  10. DeMango, Dec 10, 2016

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    You know, the line about the $42 buy in, is the gift that keeps on giving.
     
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  11. The Craps_Player, Dec 10, 2016

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    EagleEye2 - Tend to agree with that. I play the game to the detriment of being serious at the game. If I did, then I'd walk away and keep winnings. Nope. I'm there for the rush. I want to win, but I'm not going to eek out a $100 profit and walk for the day, when I make the effort to travel to a country and play the game. Because of this, I play a much riskier game. If I was to play daily (like some on this board) I have no doubt I would play only 2 numbers or even play the Don't. Take one or two wins and leave. My last experience of Vegas a few months ago was brutal. My first 3 days in Vegas (on a 2 week trip) saw me win 5 sessions in a row to go about $7k up. I then gave that back in two sessions whilst on tilt with my personal business matters at the forefront of my mind - so not focused on the game and not caring about it - a dangerous place to be. Thereafter, I dropped my entire bankroll over the next week. Total loss for the trip. Won't make that mistake (I hope) next Easter when I'm out in Vegas for 3 weeks straight.....

    However, on the point of waiting time, that kind of works for a rated player (for comps). If the average bet is pushed along with the time on the table then it will help with ratings and comps. I don't know if they take off your time if you don't bet every roll however. I think that would be hard to manage for the pit boss to note down. So, you could wait out shooters around the table.
     
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  12. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 10, 2016

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    I did well on The Strip last night, Friday 12/01/2016

    The photos is of the Belagio Christmas display. Always a special place to visit during this time of year.

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    I did not play craps at the Belagio ($15 dollar tables), I was there for other reasons. I played over at Planet Hollywood for a while and it was like 'taking candy from a baby' over there with how easy it is for me to win.

    I was thinking guys like TDVegas and OAP should have been there, and not on the Bubble Craps Slot machine watching their dollar bets lose.

    The Strip is full Cowboy at the moment, so a lot of the tables are just packed with Texan. So, anyway, once I reached my win goal that is roughly 20% of base buy-in I scoot out the door. Even if the dice are bad, tables can still whip-saw on you easily erasing wins. Once I get up, I leave and find another table or just go down the road to another casino.

    However, I after Planet Hollywood I just went home.
     
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  13. hartzehn22, Dec 10, 2016

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    Craps Poopshoot- love the Belagio and their x-mas decor!
     
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  14. Onautopilot, Dec 10, 2016

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    How long do you think it will be before you can retire and live off your wins?

    Always glad to hear about a winner though! Hope your luck continues!
     
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  15. DeMango, Dec 10, 2016

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    Don't Pass?
     
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  16. Onautopilot, Dec 10, 2016

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    I would not play anywhere else if that's the case, just keep taking the "candy", eventually quit your job and enjoy the good life, compliments of the casino!
     
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  17. betwthelines, Dec 10, 2016

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    - WARNING - even more than usual logorrhea ahead -

    some of you might notice that i changed my signature so that i do not have to keep repeating that i see this forum as a vehicle to hear myself talk, as primarily a means to entertain or sometimes to simply humor myself...obviously these are mostly lame attempts and if i get a reaction, that is good too...

    this rambling and, as usual. disgustingly over-long post is especially salient here...fortunately others on here are much better--a few brilliant even--at entertaining me and by vast degrees with more brevity.

    so Good-bye "CrapsSchoolMarm"...anyway he is long gone, no longer a member of this forum and the (imo cutting--clever even) sarcasm the old signature captured is probably now lost on all save myself...ironically even i no longer remember what his actual handle was, "CrapsSchoolSomething" CrapsSchoolTeacher maybe it was.

    some see this posting just to hear myself type as a negative thing, many probably as an annoying manifest...certainly my going on and on and on and on is...and you know what? i suppose it is a negative thing but you cannot say that i am not upfront about it nor make any bones about it...yet i think it is a good idea for readers to keep my purpose in mind and not go off cocked or even half-cocked more than usual.

    and after all there is a formal "ignore" function for those so inclined or --better yet imo -- a convenient scroll bar on the right over there that is excellent for skimming or ignoring.

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    interesting thread this one. no? (jeez, now if i could only say the same about this post!)

    lots of stuff going here. relatively civil discussions too...the name calling---except for the usual suspect(s) who seem constitutionally incapable otherwise---and personal attacks---except to those who perceive even a moderate disagreement (let alone calling out their bullshit) as an "attack"---has been kept to a minimum.

    one might say then damn near---almost---a "pleasant" thread.

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    part of this thread has been an argument as to whether certain machines are SLOT machines or NOT SLOT machines...the latter includes--but hardly exhaustive of--the ones you have been talking about: vp machines, bubble craps, and (comically briefly) those roulette machines that do not employ an actual, physical wheel.

    i find this an interesting topic...also interesting is that rarity that there seems to be at least implicit agreement here that the one type of machine is not so good and the other better.

    with the not so good slot machines
    payout percentages--established by manipulated (& thus changeable) algorithms-- are not only unknown but are essentially secret (at least with respect to individual machines...legal minimums & other legal standards may, and where applicable truth in advertising standards will, of course apply)...

    with the better not slot machines
    payout percentages--outcomes are established by random number generators (& thus manifested by random chance rather than manipulations)--are determined by publicly displayed payouts and house edge is therefore determined by probability mathematics.

    thus i believe that an important payout difference between slot machines and not slot machines is that one is secret and the other transparent...and we all know what THAT means when it comes to gambling results and "value"...apparently no disagreements on here with that either...lol.

    all that is required for the casino to change the payout on a slot machine---something some places might very well be doing daily or almost daily on certain machines---is a few keystrokes...well, ok, these days with most everything displayed electronically it might still just require a few key strokes too to change a not slot machine but that might never be done once the machine is in place but not slot machine payout percentages can only be changed by changing the public display of what the payouts actually ARE...yep...they can change a full house from paying 8 to 1 to 6 to 1 or hopping the 12 from paying 31 to 1 to 31 for 1 but they cannot do so without you having at least access to the knowledge of it!

    so anyway and notwithstanding other or more technical definitions for my purposes and my discussion here ---and remember it is all about me---the above defines what is a slot machine and what is a not slot machine.

    since in this regard and somewhat fortunately i am also easily entertained, i found this comical: the discussion at hand started out on this thread---and i am paraphrasing here---with tdvegas stating that electronic roulette machines are not slot machines...immediately superrick came back with "can you prove that?"...i found this to be a fair question and an interesting one...one in which i wish i knew the answer!

    That's It. Two Posts. NEVER AGAIN WERE ROULETTE MACHINES MENTIONED.

    No. the question immediately was transferred to/morphed to bubble craps...no matter, really...actually good even...frankly i am more interested in the question as it applies to the bubble than to electronic roulette but i do believe that the answers are similar at least in theory.

    the answer with respect to vp machines seems fairly clear...since many--even most i think--machines say right on them that a "standard 52 card deck" is used, to use other than an rng, to use a logorithm, would be CHEATING...yes, yes, i know that some countered with like, "so what it says that? you think that would put it past them? and blah blah..." certainly a fair point except that it is cheating in a way that it is so ridiculously easy to get caught at it that the existential risks so far outweigh the benefits that such unmitigated greed is probably not even considered...

    "no problem for the casinos", these conspiracy theorists might persist, "the gambling commission is in their back pocket"...again not implausible except that volumes have been written (as i understand it) about the ins and outs of vp, the strategies and its potential for advantage play...one would think that it would have long ago landed in civil or even criminal court were there suspicions that the machines were rigged & the regliators turning a blind eye...

    truly implacable cynics might perdure, "yah but...yah but...the courts are in their back pockets too..." in which case we are all truly fucked anyway and any discussions like this are futile and pointless for anything other than mere opinion...

    hmmm...i will be back in vegas tomorrow and i suppose one might ask...i never have...i just might even make it a point to ask a few higher up floor critters...more than the answers themselves, the muckity-mucks' reactions to the question might be of interest...

    No. it is pretty clear to me that vp machines are not slot machines...i don't know but maybe some electronic roulette machines carry a similar claim as to mimicking the real game...if so, i would also think that they too are not slot machines...

    as to the bubble, i do not believe we see any written claims as to its parallels with the table game but we certainly with two big ass dice tumbling around have an IMPLICIT claim that it is random chance and, just as with the table game, an rng utilized which is the dice themselves and therefore not a slot machine...as with their slot machines since they make no explicit claim as to how it all works, proving "cheating" could be more problematical.

    but that last remains just an opinion by one who, to begin with, just does not buy into the majority of conspiracy theories but also quite, quite frankly an opinion that is different than some i see here in that i am genuinely interested in the correct answer, have no axe to grind and iow fancy myself as coming at it objectively.

    so, yes, i set myself up in this as above you grass-eaters in the hoi polloi (and screw you, too, i do not always do this and am as self-critical as anyone on this forum)...by that i mean those here who disdain the bubble say it is a slot machine without any proof whatsoever...and those who love the bubble say it is not a slot machine without any proof whatsoever...

    unfortunately this level of intellectual dishonesty is rife on public forums--and maybe especially so on craps forums (and certainly so on political forums...lol)...no matter how outrageous or delusional something put forth is, if it is by one in one's own clique or philosophical group or by someone with whom you normally are in agreement with, then the statement is usually believed out of hand, expanded upon, applauded even, ...

    if on the other hand the statement(s) are by a group or by someone with--ahem-you have a personality conflict or with whom you generally disagree, no matter how sound the reasoning, it is either dismissed and sometimes (thankfully less frequently lately) with obscenities and name-calling or else incontrovertible, stand-up-in-court evidence is demanded.

    this is what it is...the best anyone can do is call it out.

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  18. Onautopilot, Dec 10, 2016

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    And who amongst us can say they are not guilty of this? :)
     
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  19. lone irish digit, Dec 10, 2016

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    GO ARMY BEAT THE SWABBIES
     
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