For the Love of the Game

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by The Craps_Player, Dec 2, 2016.


  1. Liman

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    I don't have any reason to convince anyone bubbles are pure randomness
    Perfect random dice tossing
    I've counted on this for years and have been net positive on bubbles since I began playing them
    Di theorists will always knock bubbles
    It's fine by me bubbles are getting harder and harder to get seats on
    I hope everyone goes to the tables and leave seats open for bubble players
    Believe whatever, but don't insist bubbles are rigged without any solid evidence which is typical on craps boards
     
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  2. lone irish digit, Dec 7, 2016

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    I've never played bubbles but it looks like it's not a completely random event to me.
     
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  3. lone irish digit, Dec 7, 2016

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    Craps Poopshoot- I hate to say it but I think TDV may work for the casinos.....or maybe he works for the bubble craps company? You do have to give TDV credit though as he tried to elevate the conversation to the next level.
     
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  5. Twelve4s, Dec 7, 2016

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    The only truly random event I know of, is when I get laid......
     
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  6. Twelve4s, Dec 7, 2016

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    Never tried geritol. Is it better than viagra? Sure is cheaper.
     
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  7. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 7, 2016

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    There is little I agree with SnakeEyes about, but this issue I agree with him.

    Like any computer or machine, it can be adjusted to the casinos desires. My own observations of the dice in the bubble craps, based on my own understanding of motion physics and life long experience in many things, has lead me to a suspicion that the dice are not random, in that they are being influenced. I have watched keenly the dice bouncing around, and there is enough oddities in how they move and stop that indicate that there is some influence going on. I can tell you that I am not the only one who sees this too. Many people with mechanical and engineering backgrounds have commented that the dice behave oddly at times in the bubble.

    So, unless I can get one of these bubble craps in my garage where I can pull it apart, or some disgruntle employee wants to 'spill the beans' It is very unlikely that I, or anyone else, will really know what is going on with that machine.

    A competent gambler evaluates all games the casino offers and make a choice to play them or not. My own evaluation of the bubble craps is not the same as the dice table and the strategies I use on the dice table to win with do not work with the bubble craps. Interesting at the least, and telling that there may be more going on under the hood of that machine that I realize or can possibly imagine.

    So, at this point in time I am choosing to not play the bubble based on my own observations of the machine, and those of the players who seem to be getting their asses kicked by it.

    Does anyone remember the Organic Craps? Has anyone noticed that it is gone from every casino? Anyone care to ask why?

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    OAP- I'm sorry but how can you really convince yourself that bubble craps is identical to live craps in regards to random distribution of the dice rolls? How do you prove that to your self?
     
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    TDV- REALLY...get the company on the line? You've got to be kidding- right?
     
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  10. TDVegas, Dec 7, 2016

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    Let me ask you....what do you want as evidence?

    I'll take him down to their corporate office. Meet with tech possibly. Jeez. I'm not saying it will convince him.

    at worst, I'm willing to listen to the other side. In this case, they want no part of it...none, zero. Don't want to hear anything. I'm not that closed minded where I close my eyes and shake my head to countering opinions. I might not agree, but I'll fucking listen to the opposing argument.

    I met with poop. Nice guy. I don't really believe in the bias dice conspiracy stuff but I listened to his talk on bias dice and why and where he thinks it is happening. Talked about his professor friend, collated data, etc. I might not agree with it all or any of it, but I'll listen. I didn't cut him off, say "that's bullshit, don't want to hear it". I listened. I heard. Probably spent 45 minutes with him.

    No harm.
     
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  11. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 7, 2016

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    I really do appreciate TDVegas; his input, insights and discussions on this board. Most of the time I disagree with his conclusions, but he is a good sport about it and seems to be accepting of disagreements. He and OAP are a bit 'Doom and gloom' when it comes to casino gambling



    Reminds me a lot of the Vegas Vacation with Chevy Chase when you deal with TDVegas or OAP



    it is all good and fun, and I do appreciate the 'Straight talk' and cautionary advice from them.
     
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  12. $nakeEye$, Dec 7, 2016

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    Friggin' Amazin' -

    TD volunteers to go OUT OF HIS WAY on some bull-shit " dog chasing his tail " venture - to God only knows where -

    YET - OTOH -

    REFUSES to drive across town to actually meet with REAL PEOPLE who are adept at playing craps !

    GIVE ME a FRIGGIN' BREAK, PLEASE !

    $...eE..$
     
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  13. James Hall, Dec 7, 2016

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    Lawrence Welk was once asked why they called it GERITOL , he thought for a second and finally said
    "WELL I GUESS THEY , HADACALL it something
    the first time he told that on the show it got a lot of laughs
    and people were going around telling that for months
     
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  14. TDVegas, Dec 7, 2016

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    My only straight talk...not trying to be a fly in the ointment, Debbie downer, billy bummer (even though it might be interpreted that way)...if you came here with an idea of playing craps regularly (4-5 days a week)---I caution be careful. There are VERY few net ahead and they need some good luck as regular players coupled with very low house edge betting techniques.

    I'm not suggesting it will happen to you...but there are many who come here thinking they will play a lot and beat this city. 97% are sent packing....maybe more.

    Those selling you on any idea that you can come and conquer Las Vegas...are generally horseshitters. You want regular money? Keep ├╝bering.
     
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    Organic craps organic is live and well in big a and yonkers
     
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    Show us the proof to what you just wrote!
     
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  17. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 8, 2016

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    Why was it pulled out of Vegas?
     
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  18. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 8, 2016

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    It often is..
    Oh, I level CAUTION too. Very few really have what it takes to be a full-time gambler. However, you cannot predict who will succeed or fail. All you can is tell people what you know and don't tell them what you don't know.
    That is nearly the identical response from Bob Dancer and Richard Munchkin (two notable figures in the gambling world). Many come here hoping to live on the gaming only to find that it is far more hard than they thought it would be, and that lifestyle not exactly what they thought it would be.

    There are those who make it, and nobody can predict who will make it or not. Not you, not I.

    There are bullshitters out there who sell 'systems' and dreams that are unworkable, write fiction and sell it as fact. Unfortunately, the dice world is full of that type at the moment and a lot of the carnage that you may be seeing is the fall out of that.

    There are workable means to make a living gambling in Vegas. You have to have the bankroll, the training and discipline to implement the means, and the time to do it. Most lack one of the three (or more) and simply will fail to achieve the goal.

    Caution, Yes. But telling people that they cannot do it, that is wrong because you nor I can not predict anyone's future.
     
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  19. TDVegas, Dec 8, 2016

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    Doubt it. I have a standing offer. I'll follow one of these players around town for 25 of their sessions. Record buy in cash out. They play their game. 25 sessions. They pick times and locations. I'll even offer it to you. Let's see them "making a living".

    They will never agree....not because they don't like TDVegas, not because of logistics, not because they don't want a fly on the wall...not because they don't think I'll go..Im not suggesting their reasons for demurring aren't valid...I'm suggesting the TRUE reason, above all else for saying NO is....

    They can't actually DO what they say they DO.

    Not sure who is telling you they are making a living...but without something else (dice control, cheat or an ability to read bad dice over short sessions)---no one can play this game for a living. They could be net ahead...not a living. No way. I'll also dispute the idea someone can spot bad dice after a short amount of rolls and capitalize on it. I'll even question long roll spotting of bias dice...but that's my opinion. Too many dice on the table. Too many combinations of dice.

    My offer stands...even for a bad dice reader.

    On a side note..hope your kidney stone is better. I've heard they can be brutally painful.
     
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  20. TDVegas, Dec 8, 2016

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    look at the bohunk challenge offered to every dice influencer on this forum. None, not one is willing to step up and DO what he says he can DO. In some cases they are getting offered 10 to 1 odds to accomplish what they say they do...dice control in some form or another. Good money for little risked.

    You know who IS taking the challenge this coming week?

    Me.

    The lowly random roller. Telling.

    All the "good shooters"....?
    James Hall won't take it.
    $nake won't take it.
    Rick won't take it.
    Harley won't take it.

    This challenge proves NOTHING other than DOING what people say they can do.

    I have the same offer out there for the "making a living guys". 25 sessions. Go do. I'll gladly report their success back here and eat crow. If they don't want TDV...ill appoint a 3rd party to observe.
     
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