Flat Bet on the Pass Line Come Out Roll...

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  1. basicstrategy777, Nov 23, 2016

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    The situation in post#10 involved the shooter.....not someone other than the shooter.

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  2. basicstrategy777, Nov 23, 2016

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    The casino will only allow you to pick it up under one condition......if you do not meet that condition, you cannot pick it up.

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  3. Onautopilot, Nov 23, 2016

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    My point was why do it under any circumstances. But even if the casino would not let you pick up your don't bet under your circumstance, it would be easy to "null" the bet with an offsetting bet on the point number.

    I just don't get your logic that you proffered in your original comment.
     
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    There is never a time that one should pick up a don't side bet after a point is established! If they feel they don't want to chance the bet, just place the number for an equal amount....automatic win something or break even!

    It is never "logical" to call off a don't bet that has survived the come out roll.
     
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  5. basicstrategy777, Nov 23, 2016

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    You are mis-directing the subject.

    The logic....the why....the advantage has nothing to do with the question regarding the situation [posed in post #10.

    Here was a guy, alone at the table, wanting to place the 6 and 8. He was told by the crew he has to make a PL bet. I counter by saying you don't have to make a PL bet....you can make a DPL bet. Then I introduced a rule that says you can remove a DPL bet......then I said ....what's next.......you have a shooter with no bet on the line. What's next. I thought it was an interesting situation and was making an inquiry as to how that circunstance would be handled if thre shooter picked up his DPL bet,. That's all.

    I was talking about that specific situation......not wisdom or logic .

    I thought I'd present something....a circumstance, that might hold some interest. You did not address the subject head on but start talking about the stupidity of removing a Don't bet, the non- logic of it.....that no one should do it.

    No matter.

    Fogettaboutit.

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  6. Onautopilot, Nov 23, 2016

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    You are right, I did misinterpret the last part of your original post. My bad, I didn't see it in the context you intended..."What happens next?".
     
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  7. SevenOut, Nov 23, 2016

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    Stick to your guns.... this is my kind of thinking.

    I was the sole shooter at Railroad Pass Casino, Henderson, Nevada. I played the Don't Pass and shot. I then played the Don't Come for two or three wagers.

    I do like your DP flat wager to shoot... make your Place Bets and remove the DP wager.... as an example to show the table dealers their rules and the rules of the Craps Table may conflict.

    Although, I would let the DP wager ride... if Point is the 6 or 8 as our example player is Placing Wagers... I would not hesitate to have the wager come down.

    If the dealer says the wager 'has to stay'... get the Boxman's decision. Ask where in the Dealer's Manual that states a DP wager cannot be called down. If they insist... bring your Place Bets down and then your DP wager and color up.

    That would be the extreme option as the Boxman will note it onto the computer... possibly. It does get the point across. Even better if other players showed up and watching this 'Circus'.

    At the Sunset Station, Henderson, Nevada there were two players. I walked over to watch and the shooter's end dealer and then the Boxman were going back and forth on an 8 and the payment on his $3 Hard Eight. I missed the payout by a minute or so. I did not witness the payoffs... so just watched this very... heated exchange between the shooter and Boxman.

    This shooter was on top of the argument over not being paid his Hard Way... the End Dealer told the Boxman he had paid the Hard Way... the Boxman had no choice but to defend the End Dealer.

    The shooter in the middle of a session... wanted to pull off all his wagers and his Pass Line wager. The Boxman told the end dealer to pull it all down. He colored up and said he would never come back again.

    This was a totally foolish End Dealer, Boxman and where was the Stickman who directs the end dealer to pay the Hard Eight? The Stickman would have seen what was paid. The Stickman said... nothing. This had to be the dumbest group of dealers and with only TWO players at the Table and no one knew what was going on.

    This is an example that not all dealers are to be 100% trusted. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILTY TO ENSURE YOU ARE BEING PAID CORRECTLY.

    If you question a payout... DO NOT TOUCH IT. Point at it and make your point.

    The Casino lost a repeat local customer for good. What absolute fools for the small amount of money in question working this table. I felt the urge to vocalize my opinion... but reason prevailed. I would have liked to have witnessed the payoff... but sometimes timing is everything.
     
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  8. SevenOut, Nov 23, 2016

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    I see you reconsidered. You did good.
     
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  9. Onautopilot, Nov 23, 2016

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    I have never had a problem with admitting an error on my part......it might take a lot of convincing sometimes though. :)
     
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  10. basicstrategy777, Nov 23, 2016

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    This was just a technical kind of thing but I thought it was unusual and interesting to talk about.

    My point here is the rules of the game requires for a shooter to have a line bet.....it can either be PL or DPL.

    The rules of the game also say you can remove your Don't bet at any time...............however, if you remove your DPL bet you have no bet on the line....and you MUST have a bet on the line, as the shooter, per the rules of the game.

    So......yes you can remove your DPL bet but you must replace it with a PL bet if you do; there must be a bet up there. As you know, once the PL bet is made, it cannot be removed.

    Due to the house advantage of making a PL bet late ( after the come out )........normally, this would be allowed.

    Likely, different casino would handle this situation differently, however, the cleanest, best way to handle this situation for the house is as I've described.

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  11. SevenOut, Nov 23, 2016

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    We were at the Sunset Station Casino in Henderson, Nevada this afternoon.

    I caught the attention of the Pit Boss and had a bit of a discussion about our... lone Player at their Craps Table. Which, by the way, is a $5 minimum and 10X Odds.

    I tossed out 777's logic on the Don't Pass to establish point. Once point was established I place the 6 and 8.

    I ask the end Dealer to pull my Don't Pass wager down.

    Answer: I cannot.
    I then said that the Player can pull the Don't Pass wager down at any time.

    Answer: True. But then I could not be the shooter.

    End of Story.
     
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