I was speaking with another Craps Player about the flat bet and wagering on the Pass Line on the Come Out Roll. Many of the mathematic players on their computers.... say it is a great bet. Others, not so enthused about this 'traditional wager' for Pass Line Players. My opinion is this: - If you want to shoot, put a flat bet onto the Pass Line. In my case... if you want to shoot from the Don't Pass, craps custom says not to... but I am not attached to custom when I am shooting with my wagers at risk. I have been the shooter playing the Don't Pass and Don't Come... by myself at a table. - Otherwise, tables with less than 5X Odds... and not shooting... Place Bet on the line on the Pass Line at 4X Odds, already built into the wager. You will be paid as a Place Bet if point is made. That is reasonable and not a bad wager. - Odds of 5X or higher... making the flat minimum wager IS better, IF you play 5X or higher Odds on Point. I have seen players with the minimum Pass Line wager because the 7 and 11 pay even money on the Come Out. That is the only 'real incentive' that I can think having any merit. Then it becomes a Contract Bet until the session is decided. Is there a 'smart or smarter way'? Only if it fits your System of Play. Playing the Don't Pass... uses the OPPOSITE strategy of the Pass player. But then again... that is another Thread and not the intent of this Thread. Any comments? If not... you are obviously easily convinced.