Only way a hop bet system is going to be a long term winner is if you can find dealers like the ones arrested at the Bellago that will past post late hop bets. If you're still trying the 5/9 hop progression, how many rolls without a 5 or 9 is a wipeout for you? Looking at my old files once every 1000 rolls on average it had 22 rolls or more without a 5 or 9. 193,000 roll sample. If you feel you can influence the dice, hops are even more of a fools folly. You'll make more money with less volatility over time by sticking to bets with as low of HA as possible. If you're just playing for fun, knock yourself out. When I play for fun I put the money I didn't spend on hops in $5 slot. You'd have to be influencing the dice by 10% minimum, to make hops a better choice than a $1 or higher slot machine.