Fire bets - PL/DP Required?

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  1. cf410

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    It looks like I'll be heading up to Harrah's Chester/Philly this weekend, probably Sunday. As I recall they offer the fire bet and my normal places don't offer the fire bet so I don't know all the ins and outs of the bet. I understand the basics of it but I don't know if I'm required to have a PL/DP bet to make the fire bet.
     
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  2. eagledice, Sep 25, 2012

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    The Shooter is required to have a passline bet when making a firebet. If you are not the shooter most casinos let you make a firebet without a PL/DP bet. I find that if I am Not making a passline bet but tossing 2 or 3 dollars on the Firebet, I will toss a $1 for the crew just to avoid the PL requirement comimg up by the pitcrew. That dollar tends to quite most pit complaints.

    One thing also, you can make a firebet with a DP bet, but Why? If you toss the max on the fire ($5 ,unless Vegas where its $10 ) then after the first seven-out your done.

    That brings up a point that I do not understand if You (meaning members here) are the shooter, why don't you always max out the firebet? I read countless times here and on other boards where the shooters hit 4 on the fire and get paid "zilch". $5 pays $ 125 for 4 and $1250 for 5 made. If you have confidence in your own shooting, why not place the max on yourself. OK, thats my complaint.

    Good luck at Harrahs this week. Let us know how it went.

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    In the past when I was at casinos with the fire bet I was playing the PL on all the shooters. Recently I've backed off on doing that and playing the DP, or opting to just play some numbers. So this will be my first trip to a fire bet casino playing this style and I would like to toss a couple bucks on there just in case without altering the way I've been playing recently otherwise.

    If I'm playing the DP I only plan to do a minimal fire bet since its cheap.

    And when I shoot, I do a PL and max out the fire bet. While I don't profess to be a great DI shooter, I do get longer rolls and more points when I set the dice and pay attention to my throws. This will be the first time with a fire bet and controlled shooting so it will be interesting to see the results.
     
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  4. Lifeisacrapshoot, Oct 25, 2012

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    I may have mentioned this in a previous post on the Forum:
    I won my 6 points Fire Bet in Vegas at the Paris on Sept. 10, 2012. I only put $5.00 on myself as the shooter, BUT only because I did not know nor did I see the sign stating that I could put $10.00 on the "Fire". Believe you me, if I had known, I would have easily put $10 down. I did not learn about the max Fire at The Paris until I returned to my favorite Casino, The Horseshoe in Hammond, IN when one of my favorite supervisors was congratulating me on my big win and asked if I had won $10,000.00. I said, What you talkin' bout, Willis? :) When I found out, I actually called the Paris and spoke to one of the supervisors and he informed me that the dealers may try to get you to put down a Fire Bet, but they won't tell you how much to put down. I'm surprised that they didn't at least question me on whether I knew that I could put down more than the $5.00. That was my first time playing Craps at The Paris. Well, live and learn. I'm happy I at least put down what I thought was the max.
     
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    You are not required to make a PL/DP bet in order to bet the Fire. It is a totally separate bet. The max bet and the pay outs differ from casino to casino.

    I played recently in Vegas at Rio and Paris. Both had 10$ max and 4 points paid 25 for 1, 5 pts paid 250 for 1 and 6 pts paid 1000 for one. Last year in Atlantic City I played at Caesars and the pay outs were the same but the max was 5$.

    Just remember the Fire bet can only be made with a new shooter before the first point is established. If the new shooter rolls a 2, 3, 12, 7 or 11 you can still make a Fire bet, change it or even take it down. But once a point is established it cannot be changed or taken down.

    I feel like its a pretty good bet. I figure if one shooter out of 25 can hit at least 4 numbers (which is likely), then I've lost nothing.

    Something else you may want to consider is making a lay bet against the point (or lay the 4 and/or 10 depending on the circumstance) when the 5th or 6th number is established. Maybe 40$ or more depending on how much you have on the table. You'll still get the big pay out when your Fire hits and just in case you don't the lay bet will save you a little.
     
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  6. medicman, Nov 26, 2012

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    I'm not familiar with the fire bet, myself. Never seen it, never played it. Where do the chips go for it? Is there a spot marked "fire" behind the pass line or something? Anyone got a .jpg of a layout with the fire bet on there? Sorry for my ignorance, I just think before I head to LV again I should know what the hell I'm looking for. I'm always up for a $1 risk to win a good payout.
     
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  7. Dr Nostron, Nov 26, 2012

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    Yes its located right behind where your odds on a passline bet go - and its usually marked fire bet. You place the bet yourself and the dealers will move your chip(s) and track it for you.

    Its not a bad idea to point out to one of them you have made the bet if the dice are moving to the shooter and they still havent collected your bet.

    I never bet it until I missed out on 10,000$ at paris this summer thanks to a super hot shooter - I made lots of coin but still.

    On a recent trip to New Orleans had a 4pt and 5pt hit on the same weekend.

    Its a fun inexpensive bet.
     
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  8. eagledice, Nov 26, 2012

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    In front of every player about 4 to 5 inches from the wall ( touching your stomach ) there is a round circle with a flame and a table location number around it. If you want to play the firebet you place your chip ( from $1 up to $5 generally )in the circle for the dealer to pick it up, place it in the come line for the camera and then place it on firebet area which is on top of the prop bets. There are a list of Fire spots with numbers that coinside with your table postion.

    The bet area for you is always between the wall and the passline. Most Casinos allow up to $5 per player as a max. In Vegas they higher end Casinos will go up to $10 max. So by hitting all 6 numbers, the payout is 1000 to 1, its a nice payoff.

    Regarding Las Vegas all Caesars Properties have the firebet. I know there are several properties that offer the Firebet but I dont remember them. Must be an age thing. Im sure the local members will jump in here for you.


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  9. Lifeisacrapshoot, Nov 27, 2012

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    @ Medicman:
    Do you live anywhere near the Horseshoe Casino in Hammond, IN? If so, Fire Bets are very popular there. The typical max fire bet is $5.00 outside Vegas as mentioned by the other members. Also, I believe they have the Fire Bet at the Rivers Casino in Des Plaines, IL. I thought I had read somewhere in the Forum that you are from Chicago? Sorry, if I'm mistaken. I love the Fire Bet, which I've won on myself several times and due to other wonderful shooters. I ALWAYS take a $5.00 Fire on myself, no matter how I feel. Two of my favorite sayings are: "Scared money don't make no money" and "No guts. No glory." Just remember that the Shooter must roll at least 4 different point numbers. The fire bet is a contract bet, therefore you get paid on it, even if the shooter 7's out. 4 different numbers pays 25 to 1, 5 numbers pays 250 to 1, and All 6 numbers pays 1000 to 1. I've played the Fire without any other bet on the table, except when I'm the shooter, then a PL bet is required. You can only request the Fire before the Come Out roll. I've noticed that new players who are not familiar with the Fire ask for it after the Come Out roll and they get schooled quickly by the supervisor or a dealer.
    NOTE:
    Get a Players Card at your casino of choice, especially when playing Fire Bets. That card can be helpful, if you have to leave the casino and you happen to have a fire bet still on the table and it Wins. Your table position number where you stand corresponds with your Fire Bet number circle on the table near the table supervisor. I had to leave the table during a long roll by another shooter and I had a Fire bet on the table. This has happened a few times, but I asked the supervisor if they will hold my winnings if the shooter makes the Fire. Every time they have said, Yes, but be sure to call the casino the next day or later that evening to find out if I won a Fire bet. It will show up in the system notes and on my Players card. So far I have not won on a Fire while away from the casino, but it is nice to know that they will hold my winnings for me, if the shooter makes it. Always ask the supervisor about that particular casino's protocol in case you should need to leave. Be sure the Super knows your name and Fire number at the table in case you need to leave the casino.
     
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  10. medicman, Nov 29, 2012

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    Hey Life, I'm near Chicago, but not near enough to hit the Horseshoe or Rivers on a whim. I'm a good hour+ west of the city. The only 'local' joint I go to is in Elgin. Thanks for the explanation on the fire bet. So, say I place a $1 chip in the fire bet area, let the dealer know, and then I roll 4 points. Does that bet pay off at 25/1 and the $1 stay active? Trying to figure out if the bet pays or automatically parlays if you don't ask for the winnings.
     
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  11. Lifeisacrapshoot, Dec 3, 2012

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    Hi Medic,

    Sorry it took me awhile to get back to you. Example: You're still busy shooting and you've rolled at least 4 different point numbers, that $1.00 Fire bet stays the same in the circle. You CANNOT press a Fire Bet, except if you decide to press it before you shoot on your Come Out roll. Btw, I always love to shoot from position 7 at the table, directly to the right of the stickman, SR1.

    Ok, so now you're working on your 5th point and you hit it, great, dealer turns over that puck to "Off" and you hope to roll your 6th different point number. So now you've hopefully established another new point, if on your next roll you don't hit it and you happen to 7 out, you lose all of your bets, except your fire bet. Remember, if you are feeling that you might hit at least 4 different numbers, then splurge and take $5.00 on yourself, since you cannot press your Fire.

    When I rolled all 6 points in Vegas on Sept. 10, I had only taken a $5.00 fire on myself, because I did not know that I could've had $10.00 on the fire. Nobody told me and I was not as observant as I should've been. I did not see the sign stating that the max is $10.00 (in Vegas). I rolled at the Paris Hotel and Casino, position 7. When I 7'd out, I took away $5213.00, which included my other winnings from that session. I lost everything else on the table, but I did not care. I was too busy screaming. :) Just think, if I'd been aware of the $10.00 max fire, I would've been $10,000.00 richer.

    Medic, if you ever get to the Horseshoe, you would see some serious Fire bettors. Oh, try to be at the Horseshoe on December 7, 8, and 9 for the CRAPS MONSTER ROLL WEEKEND!!. Daily Winners December 7-9, Total Rewards Members will receive one entry for every 10 rolls thrown without throwing a 7. The player with the most consecutive rolls wins the Craps Monster Roll of the Day prize consisting of $500 cash plus an entry into the ROLL OFF FINALE ON SUNDAY. The Roll Off Finale is Sunday, Dec. 9 at 8:30pm. All 3 Monster Roll of the Day Winners plus 4 Wild Card Winners will be pulled from the drawing drum to play for the $2500 GRAND PRIZE.

    I believe the shooting will begin at 12Noon to 8pm on all 3 days. Call the Total Rewards desk at the HSC, 1-219-473-7000 for more info and ask for a TR manager, if you need more details.

    Good Luck!

    Lifeisacrapshoot (Pam)
     
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  12. Harry Smith, Dec 27, 2012

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    From a random-rolling perspective, the Fire-bet is a bad wager. It’s got a high house-edge and a low chance of winning. In fact, on a normal craps table that doesn’t offer any additional ”˜carnival’ type bets (other than Hops and straight-up Props); the Fire-bet IS the worst random-bet on the table.

    On the other hand, when a skilled dice-influencer has the helm; the Fire-bet can be an incredibly prosperous bankroll contributor.

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  13. crapsman, Jan 11, 2013

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    My last visit to LV in Dec I hit 5 numbers twice and 4 numbers once. Bet 8 bucks each time...not to shabby. 250:1 and 25:1.
     
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  14. cmonhard8, Jan 12, 2013

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    5 twice? oh, the agony....Sure $4200 is better than stepping in crap, but $16000 has a nicer ring to it(assuming $8 on 1000:1 payouts 2 different x's)....What were the numbers both times that you missed? Did you simply hit 5 different numbers in a row, or were there any repeat numbers, as this can be common...
     
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  15. crapsman, Jan 12, 2013

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    Both times 4 was the missing number and both times 7 came when 9 was the point. Both times I was the only fire bet!
     
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  16. crapsman, Jan 12, 2013

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    Funniest part was on the 4 no. DB- I was late to see my woman and ran out of PH and 15 mins later realized I didn't get paid. Massive roll and I turned 110 into 3700$. I ran back and the pit boss was like hey we owe you a fire bet!!!!
     
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