Fire bet

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  1. acer

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    I have heard lot of praise for few bets that include Fire Bets. Can someone please provide details on the same?
     
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  2. Ironwig, Jan 15, 2010

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    How the FIre bet works

    1-Place either $1 or $5 in chips on the table and indicate to the dealer nearest you that you'd like to play the Fire Bet.

    2-The shooter must make at least four individual "points" for you to win. A "point" is when the shooter rolls any number between four and ten, except for seven, and then rolls that number again before rolling a seven.

    3-On the "come out" roll, during which the point is established, there is no impact on the Fire Bet if the shooter rolls a seven or "craps out" by rolling a two, three or 12. Otherwise, the player loses when the shooter rolls a seven.

    4-Each individual point must be different than the last. For example, the point of eight only counts once no matter how many times the shooter hits it.

    5- The player wins 25:1 for hitting four individual points, 250:1 for five individual points and 1000:1 for six individual points. Only the highest payout is given to the player when more than four points are hit.

    While having a shot at winning $10,000 on a craps table for a $5 bet is exciting, this bet is easily the worst one on the layout, with a house edge of 21 to 25%, depending on the paytable.


    hope this helps
     
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  3. deker0, Feb 21, 2010

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    Hi all, this is my first post on this forum...really nice to be here. And it's great to check out the postings with everyone's opinions and advice on craps.

    I've been reading alot about the fire bet...thanks for the detailed explanation.

    So, is this a Vegas only bet or is it also available in Atlantic City?

    I usually play at Borgata...the table minimums get kinda high on the weekends, but I like the atmosphere there overall.


    Thanks, D E K E R
     
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    Foxwoods in CT offer the firebet as well.. I usually throw 1 dollar on it. I've seen a 6 button fire bet hit once and wasnt on it. Dont want that to happen again.
     
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  5. tercol58, Mar 30, 2010

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    I have missed out on a 4 point roll a few times for not putting a dollar on this bet have had it pay 3 times for 4 numbers 25 dollars. would love to be at the table when someone had a 6 point run, super sweet if it would be me!
     
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    The guy that I saw hit it had 5 dollars on the fire bet and another 5 dollars on it for the dealers.. pretty sweet

    funny thing was.. it was my first time going and i was playing the donts
     
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  7. The Midnight Skulker, Mar 31, 2010

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    One of the two 90-minute monster hands I have witnessed occurred 18 or so years ago at the Nugget in Carson City, NV. I was a hard-nosed wrong-sider at the time, wouldn't jump ship for love nor money. I was not a hand-chaser, however, and so lost only $47. Not very satisfying considering all the black that was in other players' racks, but a moral victory of sorts I suppose. In any event I quickly reconsidered my hard-nosiness.
     
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  8. Pressure, Mar 31, 2010

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    It's awful watching something like that happen while you are sucking your thumb, which is why I've taken the attitude "anything can happen at anytime with anyone". It works out better for me in the long run as long as I can maintain enough discipline to leave when I have hit my "leave now!" amount when I'm down. When I first saw the fire bet I bet it most of the time. Of course when I didn't I was the one to hit it- a baby one of 4 different points. A couple of weeks ago a fellow wheels himself up to the table in his wheel chair and through some interesting gymnastics rolled off a 5 point firebet. Never would have guessed he could throw the dice no less hit a fire. Again I wasn't on it. I live in Vegas and am seeing it available in more casinos than a number of years ago. Station Casinos now have them around the city, but I first saw it over at the Rampart.
     
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  9. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 1, 2010

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    "The saddest words that e'er been heard: 'It might have been.'" One feature of craps is that there is a bet or strategy that can win given [em]any[/em] roll or sequence of rolls. The problem, obviously, is to select that bet/strategy [em]before[/em] the rolls occur. My don't method now includes a trigger for switching sides so I have less chance of getting annihilated by a single hot shooter. Of course I have no way of knowing if this would have saved me at the Carson City Nugget, but I think I would have had to be not only a hard-nosed masochist but also 180.000... degrees out of phase with the table to come out behind after a 90-minute hand.
     
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  10. Geodaddi, May 28, 2010

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    Last month my wife and I were in Vegas at the Paris. It was early in the day and we were just drinking comps and playing slots when we heard these massive screams for joy. The second time we heard them I said we gotta check it out.

    We made our way to the tables and three people had just hit the fire bet-6 points. All they had down was a buck and it came out to something like $5,000 a piece.

    Every time I play from now on I'll place the fire bet. You never know. Especially now that I'm starting to be able to influence the dice a bit. :)
     
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    I love fire bets, if I walk by a table and see that puck on the 3,4 or 5 on a fire bet I jump right in.....

    Put about $500 on the Don't Pass and collect me winnings!
     
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  12. Triplell, Jun 23, 2010

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    Just came back from Horseshoe in Council Bluffs(Harrahs). I have been playing craps for two weeks now. Probably getting in about 2 hours a day at the casino. Before today, I saw two 5-point fire bets, both of which I had a dollar on.

    Today I was at the table and I was down to about my last $50(I usually take around 200 to 300). I was playing pretty conservative, and before I know it the guy has 3 points up (the 4,9,10). He sets a 5 as the point, so I lay it for $35, losing money if he gets the point. He does, and then set the 8 as the point. I did the same thing with the rest of my money. Once again, he set the point, so I knew I was walking away with at least $250. I have nothing left to gamble, and he sets the 9 and makes his point. He then sets the 6 with a hard six, and got his point the next roll with another hard six. It was pretty exciting to see. I then had to stand around for over an hour to get my money as they take taxes out.

    They gave out over $30,000 on that fire bet. There was a guy that had $25 chips on it. Some guys who came up to the hot table late were bitching, mentioning that the poor bastards were probably down half a mil.

    So even though it may be a sucker bet, it's also very exciting. It's also like an added bonus. Assuming you're betting the pass, not only are you making banks with your bets, but you also get a little something something on top. I enjoy it, regardless of how foolish of bet it is. The funny thing is I see the same people talking about how foolish this bet is and they'll bet the field or bet the hardways. Sometimes you give up a big house edge to make some quick dough.
     
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  13. Hardeight, Jan 7, 2011

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    All the PA casinos have the Fire Bet I put a dollar down each time I roll.The most I ever got was 2 numbers
     
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  14. hittingpoints, Jul 11, 2011

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    The fire bet is pretty exciting. In vegas you can make it up to $10 in most of the casinos that offer it.

    The most exciting part is when you've hit 5 points, and you've established six points (not as easy as it might sound) everyone who has $10 on the fire bet will lay significant amounts of money against the 6th point. Clearly they only do this if you're going for the 6th one.

    Last time I did it in vegas was at the rio, had established the point at 5, which would have been the 6th in the series. 2 or 3 people at the opposite end of the table had layed $3,000 against the 5.

    Not too tough to figure out the math, with a $10 fire bet they had already won $2,500.00. If i hit the point they'd have won $7,000 (lost the lay bet) and when I sevened out they won $4,500 instead of the $2,500. Good stuff.

    Lots of tokes get dropped into your rack after rolls like that =)
     
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  15. $nakeEye$, Jul 12, 2011

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  16. eagledice, Jul 12, 2011

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    Hittingpoints,

    Welcome to the board.

    Twice I have hit 5 on the firebet, set the sixth point and did an immediate PSO. This was done at Harrahs Las Vegas and Greektown in Detroit. Now both times I was disappointed, but a 5 point firebet payoff is still sweet.

    Now, my thoughts regarding laying the 6th point. In my mind, if I lay the 6th point, I feel that I have already given up and mentally I am shooting for Big Red. Now last year when I did the 2 5pointers the math says I should have layed the 6th point, but both times nerves kicked in and I actually shortrolled the dice. When that happens we all know what occurs. If I ever do get to that point again, I honestly say I need to feel posivitive and "Not do the Lay Bet". One other note, this has never happened when I am Not the shooter, so I probably need to sit down and do the math on that.

    What are your thoughts on laying the 6th when You are the shooter.

    Again, welcome to the board,

    Eagledice
     
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  17. hittingpoints, Jul 12, 2011

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    I wouldnt lay it against myself, but more for superstitious reasons....
    Ultimately, it's a guarantee that you're winning money.
    Lets say its a $5 bet and the 6th point is established as 10

    you've already got $1,250 because you've hit 5 points.
    With no lay you walk with 1250, or 5,000.

    If you lay 2,000 against the 10 you either walk with 2250 or 3000. not too exciting with this example, but you're now guaranteeing a win of at least 2250.
     
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  18. TwinStix, Jul 13, 2011

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    Hit a 6-pointer in Kansas City Ameristar in March.

    Myself and one other guy were on the Fire Bet.

    I had a 2 dollar bet down. Very exciting stuff. If you've got 500 to spend at the craps table, might as well throw a couple of pennies on the fire each time...you never know....

    Heres the thread: http://www.crapsforum.com/viewthread/2204/
     
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  19. COPENNY2, Aug 24, 2011

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    It really can happen!!!!
    I just got back from a "business trip" to Vegas. I went on another trip back in April of this year with my boss and he introduced me to craps. We were at the Imperial Palace most of the time but I became fascinated when I learned about the Fire Bet. Sure it's the worst bet on the table, but I knew I was going to be back out there in August so I started to work on a plan in my head. I figured that if I started with enough money ($300.00) that I would be able to support my $5 fire bet to at least hit the 4-pointer and win. I walked in the doors around 2:15pm and bought in for $300. I stuck to a very conservative plan of playing $5 on the pass line and keeping $5 on the fire bet. That lasted about an hour until the drinks started to kick in. I started dropping $10 behind the pass line with a little success at first. Then the tables turned on me for a while and I lost much more than I wanted a lot faster than I wanted. I was down to about $220 when the shooter on the opposite end of the table started rolling. He made three points rather quickly when the dealers started to yell out the remaining points that he needed to hit to make the fire bet. I'm sure they did that to scare him into making a bad roll... but he didn't. Even though he was rolling the dice, my palms started to sweat. After 7 minutes and he made 2 more points he rolled a 4 to set the point. Those of us playing the fire bet already knew that we had won at least $1250. But the idea of actually winning $5000 made us all get really nervous. I slammed the rest of my drink trying to look calm when after 3 rolls the shooter made the point. We all yelled and screamed for a minute with high-fives and fist bumps given to any and everyone that walked by. That truly was one of the best feelings that I've ever had in my whole life. It feels great to be able to say I hit the fire bet just as I planned. After collecting my winnings and signing my paperwork came the hardest part of all...telling the wife!!!! If it wasn't for the fact that we have to report it for taxes I wasn't going to tell her anything. Of course NOW she thinks I'm the man. Don't worry everyone. I'm not going to blow it all in a few days. I'm only taking $500 for myself and using the rest to pay for my college classes. That will cover 24 credits toward my BS in Business. I'll start planning my next winning trip to the Imperial Palace soon. I'll be going back to Vegas in the springtime when my friend gets back from Afghanistan. Hopefully some of that luck will still be in the air and we both can hit the fire bet!
     
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  20. basicstrategy777, Aug 24, 2011

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    Glad to hear you won. Good luck on your gambling 'career'.

    One of the worse things that can happen to someone is to win big right after they learn the game. Their experience tells them ..."hey, this is easy" .

    I don't mean to rain on your parade and I want you to enjoy the game but please understand craps is a tough game to win at.

    Like someone once said: ' When I left Vegas winning money, I felt like I made it thru a lions den with 2 big pieces of meat under each arm'.

    777
     
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