Any new member on the Craps Forum should read a disclaimer BEFORE reading most Threads and Posts. This Thread, as well. The absolute misdirection, inaccurate representations and nonsense is the norm. I am amazed that most Craps Players know very little about Craps. Gamblers are notorious for exaggeration, misrepresentation of experience, knowledge of Craps and just blatant lies of Play. These are the 'honest gamblers' who do not play Craps. The Craps Forum is a site for learning and discussing Craps. Not for individuals and their obsessive compulsions to constantly make statements that cannot be proven nor even keep their stories within the realm of the 'real world of Craps expectations'. Craps is much like an action movie at a theatre. Your Bankroll is admission to the Show and you are the Star. Temporarily. When your Bankroll is gone, you are another compulsive gambler without any money. End of the show, but most cannot accept that they have lost their money... again. The last Craps Dealer I encountered recently, was not playing at a Craps Table. He and his wife were getting produce at Costco. Dealers are actors in a gambler's movie. It is just that the Dealers get paid to deal, while the player... may believe their constant winning is true and others believe the banter, the table's dealers know better. If Forum Members want to try to convince the ignorant of their Beating the System, they are on the wrong side of the Craps Table. Chance and Mathematics of the Craps Table has already determined how fast you will lose. Not how quickly you can win.