Fictional Craps

Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by SevenOut, Aug 12, 2018.

  1. SevenOut, Aug 12, 2018

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    Any new member on the Craps Forum should read a disclaimer BEFORE reading most Threads and Posts. This Thread, as well.

    The absolute misdirection, inaccurate representations and nonsense is the norm. I am amazed that most Craps Players know very little about Craps.

    Gamblers are notorious for exaggeration, misrepresentation of experience, knowledge of Craps and just blatant lies of Play. These are the 'honest gamblers' who do not play Craps.

    The Craps Forum is a site for learning and discussing Craps.

    Not for individuals and their obsessive compulsions to constantly make statements that cannot be proven nor even keep their stories within the realm of the 'real world of Craps expectations'.

    Craps is much like an action movie at a theatre. Your Bankroll is admission to the Show and you are the Star. Temporarily. When your Bankroll is gone, you are another compulsive gambler without any money. End of the show, but most cannot accept that they have lost their money... again.

    The last Craps Dealer I encountered recently, was not playing at a Craps Table. He and his wife were getting produce at Costco. Dealers are actors in a gambler's movie. It is just that the Dealers get paid to deal, while the player... may believe their constant winning is true and others believe the banter, the table's dealers know better.

    If Forum Members want to try to convince the ignorant of their Beating the System, they are on the wrong side of the Craps Table. Chance and Mathematics of the Craps Table has already determined how fast you will lose. Not how quickly you can win.
     
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  2. von duck, Aug 12, 2018

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    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, "The Grim Reaper", and, craps is nothing at all, like an action movie. If you gave a guy a dice game, where he would be returned 98.6%, of any bet made, win or lose, nobody would play. A craps player wants to think about winning, because losing SUCKS! What is "fun" about craps is winning, and that's what we want to talk about, winning. We know all about losing, and we don't want to talk about it. What the hell is wrong with you? :confused: :cool:
     
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  3. James Hall, Aug 12, 2018

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    The site screwed up my post , sorry
    It wound up in the body of
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  4. SevenOut, Aug 13, 2018

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    The Casino's in Las Vegas are closing down their Craps Pits, sooner than later. Post #2.

    Smaller Casinos do not offer Craps on their floor. Why? Because there are not enough of these 'winners posting on this Forum' to play at them. Not because these Casinos are afraid of losing.

    The majority of Craps Players quit playing when their Bankroll is Zero or too small to make further wagers. Not because they are winning too much and need more pockets to stuff imaginary chips.

    New Craps Players. Make note of present and future posts on the CrapsForum. It seems that most who post are able to beat the Craps Tables... most if not all of the time. Obviously from years of deep mathematical problem solving and using modern accounting systems available on the Internet.

    Some may believe that a Poster's Craps IQ is directly in proportion to the number of Posts made in a short period of time as a Forum Member. Read some of their posts. Problem solved.

    A Casino Craps Table can lose Bank to Players in the... short run. True. Would some of the fine players on this Forum be responsible. Not likely. They never describe HOW they are winning. What is their System of Play. Their Wagering System. When is the best time to quit?

    These questions are always absent for any responses. If they did respond, those who understand Craps would be able to pick them apart, if necessary.

    Millions of people play the Power Ball. It does not make them geniuses. The odds are identical for each ticket buyer. Pick your own numbers or Quick Pick.

    A smaller number of Gamblers Shoot Craps at local Casinos. Same story. The odds are identical... BUT, a Craps Player can change their game. It may not improve their wins or losses, but some believe that Statistics and Reality do not share common graphs. Statistics will have smooth arches, while actual Craps Play are like Seismic Waves... but eventually, at the end... LOSERS.

    That is the sad reality of Craps. You play, You pay. Quit while ahead? Not this bunch. Winning goes on and on for them... and Santa comes by every week.
     
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  5. von duck, Aug 13, 2018

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    Thank you very much "Angle of Death". Boy, every time I read one of your posts, I get an uncontrollable urge, to lay-out of work, and head to the casino. You have a way of making it all seem so, "glamorous". You must be one of those "motivational speaker" Guys.
    Anybody "up" for a game of "Russian Roulette"? :)
     
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  6. yacraps, Aug 13, 2018

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    heeeeeeres Wendy...as a child you started trolling at such a young age
     
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  7. von duck, Aug 14, 2018

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    I might be a troll, but that guy is a total "BUMMER". :cool:
     
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  8. eagleeye2, Aug 14, 2018

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    WOW SevenOut posts his Sad Luck Story!

    With a ""Location of 89005 or Boulder City, NV"", your post tells all about your Craps Playing Past!

    Sorry, but the Casino's need folks like you to Pay off the Mortgages on those elaborate Casino's they build!.....

    eagleeye2
     
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  9. twodicebilly, Aug 14, 2018

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    Be nice now, some one has to build them, you and I dont
    want to

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  10. eagleeye2, Aug 14, 2018

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    tdb,

    You got that RIGHT!

    eagleeye2
     
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  11. SevenOut, Aug 14, 2018

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    Reread Post #1.

    This is the demise of the CrapsForum.

    These are the same kind of individuals who will list a Gold Mine For Sale on Craigslist. The hustler. The huckster. Why would anyone want to sell a Gold Mine if they were extracting any gold?

    The same with this crowd. If any were making any money shooting Craps, they would have a lot to say. A lot more than the previous posts. They set up their tent, do their preaching, take your money and fold up shop and move on to the next town.

    The smartest thing any of these characters could do is resist my 'Stink Bait' and go for it.

    Suckers are the easiest to catch when they are at the end of a hook. Since this is a Catch and Release swamp... they go on to the next victim, which may be you.
     
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  12. tabletop123, Aug 14, 2018

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    Wrong again. James says that with proper training, & tons of practice from a QUALIFIED instructor ( namely...James), that YOU too....could be influencing the dice, playing only when you need money, &, living off of Casino money. Don't believe me? Head west to Mesa, & you will find your pot of gold ( Private instruction from THE master himself).
    Stop giving your money to the Casinos. Eradicate this " Gloom ,& Doom" way of thinking. STOP using Casino Math & learn how to use the PROVEN Dice Influencing Math ( Betting All Across, & pressing your bets, & using CASINO money).
    Yep...that's right. You heard me correctly. Learn to use CASINO money by betting Across, & pressing the first five hits.
    What? PSO's, & short hands? What the fu**k is THAT?
    I'm a fu**king Dice Influencer. I'm professionally trained. I practice every day. Short hands & PSO's don't apply to me. That's negative thinking. Dice Influencers shouldn't think about how much they are losing. Only think about how much you can win.

    Control your losses. Walk to your room & fix the problem if you have a short hand. If you lose money, that's not counted as a loss, because you " walked", & fixed the problem.
    If you're properly trained, you won't have too many short hands, so don't worry about it. Think positive. Let your training & your SKILL from practicing " Kick in"!!!

    Dice Influencer: Well, I went to my room, & fixed the problem after tossing those three losing hands.
    Instructor: See there...I told you it would work out for you. You only tossed three losing hands but you tossed that one good hand that ALMOST recouped all of your losses so.....TECHNICALLY, you didn't lose anything.
    Come on over to the house, let me look at your toss & I'll tell ya what ya did wrong. More than likely, your grip was flawed or you twisted your wrist upon release. Tell ya what....I'll only charge you HALF of what I normally charge, & I'll throw in a pair of autographed dice too!!
    Deal?
     
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  13. eagleeye2, Aug 15, 2018

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    WOW SevenOut posts his Sad Luck Story!

    With a ""Location of 89005 or Boulder City, NV"", your post tells all about your Craps Playing Past!

    Sorry, but the Casino's need folks like you to Pay off the Mortgages on those elaborate Casino's they build!.....

    eagleeye2
     
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  14. SevenOut, Aug 15, 2018

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    Similar to Craps Professionals:

    " A Gold Mine is a Hole in the Ground with a Liar at the Top." Maybe Mark Twain... quote.

    As for Post #13 and others. It is sad you have no home to post a Zip Code. Craps is not an Investment to earn income. You must find a job and earn it.

    There is a Zip Code for the corner of the I-515 and Sunset exit to the Sunset Station in Henderson. I almost handed you a dollar bill, but decided it was better spent at a Casino myself.

    Use that Zip. I can look it up for you if you cannot read this.
     
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  15. twodicebilly, Aug 15, 2018

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    Your last post explains your other posts and describes
    you as a player and exposes your mind set.

    How many classes have you taken, how many of the instructors have you played with, how many of their tops students have you played with, how many of the students that did not do well have
    you played with..... what was the difference in time practicing of the
    guys that did the best and those that did poorly.

    The point is Sevenout, you just mouthed off, trying to act like a big shot that really knows nothing. I have seen maybe 50 of the better guys in the country throw, I have talked with many of them, I understand what they can and cant do, I have also known many that
    have not been able to get as good as they would like.

    Every player that tries can get to be a better craps player than
    they were before, maybe not as good as people like you demand they get, but better.

    In 70 years I understand that pretty much you get out of something what you put in, and there are times you fall short, mostly because you really did not put in the time, or you had expectations that were not realistic in the first place.

    Very rarely do you see guys that put in the hard work bad mouth
    the people they were working with or what they were trying to do.

    IT is always people like you that have made no effect, dont have a clue about what
    you are talking about that talk the loudest.

    tdb
     
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  16. twodicebilly, Aug 15, 2018

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    For a second lets just put all the crap we argue over aside

    Do you think a random new player could learn something from
    working with James?????? I do


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  17. TDVegas, Aug 15, 2018

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    No one is using the craps table as a means or method to pad their bank account. As sevenout noted, craps is not an investment. Never will be, regardless of how much time one invests in it. The game was not designed to reward practice and over 200+ years later...AFAIK, no one has demonstrated it has. Talk? Yes. Demonstrate? No.

    What's demonstrate? An honest to goodness buy-in, cash out statement over a lifetime of craps.

    Strange how 2 guys who actually live in the Vegas area share this thought. You want income from the inside of a casino? Apply for a job.

    Also strange how the other guy who lived in Vegas....who said you could rely on the tables for income, practiced on his home table, claimed to be "living the Vegas life"....was in fact a complete and total bust out. By all accounts, lost everything.

    So...yeah, these stories carry weight. For others, it's something to ignore. I get it.

    Enjoy craps. If you lean to the idea it's going to provide you with more than enjoyment over your lifetime...as in extra earned cash, talk to Harley/Eagle and get the real story, not the fake one.

    People win when they saddle up today.
    People lose when they saddle up today.

    No one disputes that. How well we do or don't do will be tied to betting strategies and luck.
     
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  18. von duck, Aug 15, 2018

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    There is absolutely no way, for you or "sevenout" to know if anyone can beat the craps game. There is just no damned way for either of you to know. Matters not what the math says, matters not, what logic or intuition says, there is still no way for either of you, or me, for that matter, to know. Face it, YOU DO NOT KNOW, PERIOD. Do you? :cool:
     
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  19. TDVegas, Aug 15, 2018

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    What do ya want me to do...believe the cartoon act in Arizona?

    Jeez, Don't be a dumbski.
     
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  20. eagleeye2, Aug 15, 2018

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    TDV,

    Now we see why you have NEVER Posted anything to help the folks out there!

    DAM, you can't even help yourself, as your postings prove!

    eagleeye2
     
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