Expressing odds of numbers

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Grizzoola, Sep 10, 2015.

  1. hartzehn22, Oct 11, 2015

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    That's ok....you don't have to buy it or believe that dice influence exists. I agree that plenty of repeat numbers occur with random shooters that are winging the dice down the table as hard as they can. Believe it or not, I once saw a random shooter hit 12 hard 4's in a roll. That is the most hard ways I've ever tracked in a roll. Anyway, even though he hit 12 hard 4's in his roll, I wouldn't say he was purposely influencing the dice. He was a random shooter and if anything, the dice were probably bias.

    What irks me, is when people say that dice influence and bias dice doesn't exist. Maybe it doesn't exist for them but it doesn't mean it ain't happening. Are those same naysayers tracking each and every toss that they are doing at the table or are they just blowing smoke?
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Oct 11, 2015

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    I believe that if the die were unbalanced slightly the results would not be noticeable. The toss is short lived and the distance 7- 10' usually. They would really have to be weighted to see a group of biased rolls.
    On the DI front why cannot a roll be both influenced and lucky?
     
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  3. black3car, Oct 11, 2015

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    I could agree with that but I must then deduce that influence is insignificant if luck plays just as big or a bigger part.
     
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  4. Dave G Ct, Oct 11, 2015

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    Who knows the answer to that? But who will not accept their winnings due to luck? Give you an example- die slip out of your hand when shooting- you hit the point.You can have bad luck on a toss to- perfect toss and rebound- one die skims the other enough to move it one face into a 7 out.
     
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  5. TDVegas, Oct 11, 2015

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    If dice influence existing in the manner you guys discuss it...the casinos would have long ago instituted rules to thwart it much like card counting is thwarted or banned. To date, no casino, none is on record acknowledging they do anything to "impair" a roller. Nothing. Just hit the back wall.

    Why do they freely admit to counter measures for card counting but admit to nothing on dice control or influence? Because the do not believe the skill is viable. They would be the first ones to know if DI players (teams) were lifting money. If they were worried, you'd be tossing dice out of cup or not allowed to set.

    More nonsense from the DI spectrum.
     
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  6. Dave G Ct, Oct 11, 2015

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    A lot of shooters like to use a specific set or have some other routine in tossing the Dice. Casinos are in no position to dictate their own rules in a game that has lost popularity. Too many casinos would welcome DI and Canadian casinos are state run and never put heat on a DI. Also DI includes the big picture not a session or two.
     
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    Or even 6 9's a few weeks ago On bubble craps. Yup totally random.
     
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  8. TDVegas, Oct 11, 2015

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    Because they know the skill isn't viable. Between this board, Heavys board, MP's board, Scoblete, Howard and his school and the NUMEROUS others claiming to play with an advantage...you're out of your mind if you think the casinos will allow all these advantage players to lift money without consequences. Casinos do not take advantage play lightly or shrug it off...period. Has nothing to do with lost popularity.

    Once again Dave, ANYONE who has overcome the game and plays with a known edge isn't coming into any board to discuss it, defend it, vouch for it, admit to it, or make it known it's a possible skill. They simply would shut their mouths. The less that know about it...the better.
     
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    This is the most long-winded, dead horse-beating, forum!
    Fred
    P.S. Before you tell me I don't need to read it, I know, that but I still have my opinion.
     
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  10. Onautopilot, Oct 11, 2015

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    Since you already know that you don't have to read this, I won't tell you that you have a choice to ignore this thread. But I thought I saw the horse take another breath a minute ago, so it might need another beating.....it might have been your post that gave it more "life". :)
     
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  11. Dave G Ct, Oct 11, 2015

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    Correct me if you can but don' t casinos offer million dollar private games to a few rich players. Why worry about a couple hundred DI who may win a few thousands.
     
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  12. TDVegas, Oct 11, 2015

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    So as long as they are taking money from whales....why worry about a bunch of small time advantage craps players? Really? That's your argument? You have no idea how the casino industry works, Dave. There is no collateral damage in taking down the whale in the sense they let small timers off the hook. In the casino eyes, there is no such thing as small time advantage players that they don't worry about. Small becomes medium....and so on.

    They don't bother with you guys because they know you aren't advantage players.

    AP's like hartzen are a farce, IMO. He doesn't know me. He doesn't know if I have casino connections, work in the industry, have friends who work in the upper ranks (which I do) or anything about me...yet he's willing to go and show me exactly what he does as an advantage craps player?? "Are you out of your friggin mind" would be the first question. My second thought would be it doesn't make ANY sense to expose your skills in that fashion---especially to a total stranger. Therefore, sadly...I don't believe any of it. Especially if the claim is pinned to 5-10-15 rolls of the dice. It's a farce. It's simply the analytical part of my mind working, Dave. If it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense.
     
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  13. DeMango, Oct 11, 2015

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    It's called ego TD.
     
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    I couldn't agree more, but when I'm extremely bored stuck in traffic, on the toilet or giving a quick 5 minute trip report I'm not on here.
    Those members that ramble on and on beating those dead horses have at it as it obviously floats their boat.
     
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  15. Dave G Ct, Oct 11, 2015

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    While we hear from the Florida Flash. Armed with his Bone Tracker and trusty pen and paper he is ready to take on the casino for the umpteenth time. About time you get a legitimate shot and quit analyzing to death your results. Yes the answer is just around the bend.
     
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  16. Onautopilot, Oct 11, 2015

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    Dave, where do you play craps at, and how often? Since using your DI skill, what is your average win, and on what buy-in? You say you are net positive, over what period of time, and approximately how many sessions?

    I know you say you beat the fire bet a lot, do you bet it every time you throw the dice? What is your win percentage on the fire bet compared to the odds of hitting it?

    You say you beat the 4 and 10 on a consistent basis, when you are doing that, how do you pick off the other numbers for the fire bet? It seems to me that the other numbers would be scarce with all those 4's and 10's showing.

    Lastly, why do you get so upset when anyone questions your claims?
     
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  17. Dave G Ct, Oct 11, 2015

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    Hi Onautopilot
    Lately been working out of state. Have not played in 2 months. I do not use a session buy in because I only look for shooting ops. I may bug in with $200 but I will move around. I was net positive for 4 years before I even contemplated DI. My average win is around $50 - $150. My average loss is $50-$100. With the 2-v set I will hit 4& 10' S but also a lot of 6&8's. As to Fire Bets- it is luck to have them line up. However I am most relaxed when I do have an opportunity to hit them.I bet it every time I shoot.
    I do not get upset if you or even TD question my play.I do have no use for a couple of so called DI on this board who like to take cheap shots. Why? Maybe they are jealous that I am a regular on another board that many here like to take shots at. But also I enjoy " getting a topic going" so I am not blameless at times.
     
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  18. TDVegas, Oct 11, 2015

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    2 months? Haven't touched the tables? And you're trying to convince people that you are a DI? Dave, Dave, Dave...you're a casual player and the 6 times a year you do play, you could very well end up net positive in those 6 sessions. If that's your qualification of DI-----then I'm a DI. I may play 100 times a year....can I use that as a basis for my qualifications as a DI? I'm down maybe $150 this year----can I make a single field bet for $151, hit a 10, say I'm net positive $1 and declare myself a DI?

    To each his own, but I don't see how someone who plays so infrequently can make any credible claims about controlled rolling.
     
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  19. DeMango, Oct 12, 2015

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    Florida Flash? Obviously I struck a nerve with the comment about ego. That's all it is, my Johnson is bigger than yours. Get on the bus!
     
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  20. betwthelines, Oct 12, 2015

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    tdv & 'pilot, you obviously know that lightweight dave's DI claims are misplaced...

    however, i do believe him when he says that he is net positive---why wouldn't i? while woefully misguided, confused, inexperienced and overly concerned with the welt of some other "DIs" ("skimmingly" so...lol), he does seem otherwise to be a rather straight-up guy--- and also believe his claim to hitting multiple fire bets...my sense is that he remains quite a bit ahead now on that fire bet, indeed plausibly a primary reason that he remains net positive, but mainly because of his paucity of play...obviously we can't really know for sure since he doesn't track it...

    just sayin'

    tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
     
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