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Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by Linaway, Sep 19, 2017.

  1. James Hall, Sep 22, 2017

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    the point is on a roll with those numbers I would win
     
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  2. twodicebilly, Sep 22, 2017

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    Couple of things here.... first it is not your
    role to tell him how to play, It is not my role
    to tell you how to play, or it is my role to
    tell TDV how to play bubble craps.

    For people that work on there shots like I do
    or sets....3 PSO in a row means nothing...
    I don't even care...

    That is because if I get to the table I am not going to bet much at all until I see where my shots and sets
    are going....

    If I bet $5 pass line and that is all I am practicing for
    nothing... really..... if I get a short roll and my
    my seven is a 6/1 I want to know where both the 6 & 1 came from in my original set. since I am an inline
    shooter I have only two faces on each die to watch so I do. Next time I get the dice I seven out again and it is 6/1 with the front die being the six..... you and others on here say wow 3 seven outs in a row I gotta leave....to me that's laughable... I just found out my shot is repeating, I just gotta adjust sets.

    I am not telling you to play like I do or James or Rick, I am just saying there is more to this than
    your indicating.... TDV Dmango, Liman and the others think we are all nuts.... I think they are, except I am not telling them how to play .

    twodicebilly
     
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  3. James Hall, Sep 22, 2017

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    Now you're getting it , not betting on others , cuts out all those losses and you walk away not down less but money ahead
     
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  4. TDVegas, Sep 22, 2017

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    Uh huh....

    And how ya doing here?

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  5. James Hall, Sep 22, 2017

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    Like you said playing tiddly winks while you roll
     
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  6. von duck, Sep 22, 2017

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    You are right about, no betting strategy that will favor you to win. There is however, one sure betting strategy, that will guarantee, you never lose. :cool:
     
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  7. Mssthis1, Sep 22, 2017

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    Yep. Play money on your practice table, you'll never lose. I probably have more tosses in a month with money riding on them than some of these "pro's" have made their entire life. I've averaged 400 tosses a week with money riding on them over the past 25 years and that doesn't count bubble play.
     
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  8. TDVegas, Sep 22, 2017

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    Ya..which is what you would have been doing when I rolled 2 hard 6's....or 6 of 7--6's. No parlay. No win. Just twirling your fingers staring at the ceiling.

    Sorry...no $500 for your Mesa boys. They only bet on themselves.
     
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  9. TDVegas, Sep 22, 2017

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    Druck was not telling him how to play. He was merely suggesting that if James has had ONLY one 3 PSO in a row session in his entire craps career...then he must be leaving the table after 1 or 2.
     
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  10. James Hall, Sep 22, 2017

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    We have been over all this before I would not bet on your roll . I would not be twiddling my thumbs and I would not be staring at the ceiling
    I would be otherwise engaged on a craps table , dice in hand rolling number after number while you are seated at the craps slot
    banging on the button , REPEATING that thing you love so much TO HEAR , "PUSH THE BUTTON , PUSH THE BUTTON"
     
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  11. TDVegas, Sep 22, 2017

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    I know.

    So there is no $500 winner on MY "two hard 6's in a row" roll. Jeez.
    Your referenced MY ROLL when making this statement.
     
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  12. von duck, Sep 22, 2017

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    Sounds like a case of "Terminal Craps",:( perhaps someday, they will find a cure.:) :cool:.
     
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  13. James Hall, Sep 22, 2017

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    Nope I did not assign ownership of any rolls to anyone , didn't reference "your roll"
    I simply said , "2 sixes in a row YEEEHAW" , good try however
     
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  14. von duck, Sep 22, 2017

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    :cool:PHARTTtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt..........................
     
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  15. James Hall, Sep 22, 2017

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    A couple of them are still taking a flyer on the occasional random roller , but they are learning , they are coming around
    We have been talking about when to quit
    One of the guys said the other day , "I think we stay on the table too long"
    I said you do
    He said "when should I quit"
    I said , "when you seven out"
    He said "but what about the other players"
    I said they should too
    He said "should too , what"
    I said quit when they 7 out
    He said "but if I bet only on myself I won't get to play that much and when I go to Vegas I go to play"
    I said You go to play , win or lose
    He said "yes"
    I said well if you don't care if you lose then do that, if you want to win don't bet on the other players
    Tom got his attention and told him ,"It took me awhile too , you'll learn"

    HE WILL
     
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  16. twodicebilly, Sep 22, 2017

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    When I used to throw the GTC shot I got pretty good at the seven out... I think it was my middle name.

    But with the inline shot, I admit I do not seven out very much...but it does happen. My average roll is my longer with the inline shot as compared to the on axis
    shot... but that is my experience it may not be the same for everyone.

    tdb
     
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  17. von duck, Sep 22, 2017

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    DUCKS RULES FOR GAMBLING. Bet on the numbers that are hitting, bet on the teams that will "cover", bet on the horses that are winning, pick a slot machine that is going to payoff, in BJ bet more money on your winning hands, in dice, throw the numbers you have your money on, in poker, do not fold, if you are holding the nuts, in stocks, buy the ones which will rise, in bubble craps, bet like Von duck, and always remember "YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID", but stupid can "fix" you.:confused: :) :cool:.
     
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  18. twodicebilly, Sep 22, 2017

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    You going to enter that craps tournament in October. That is the same weekend as the LJ class.

    Found out tonight I am comped for the weekend there so I
    am going to head out Thursday morning

    tdb
     
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  19. tabletop123, Sep 22, 2017

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    Wow! How many Little Joe Classes, or ANY classes do you guys have to continuously take? Of course, I am NOT telling anyone how to spend their money, but WHY the need to practice everyday, or to keep taking refresher courses after you have done The Di'ng thingy for so long ( 5 years or more)?

    Seriously......I have practiced on my home table, ( almost 10 years)& had many hours in the Casinos & if I had to practice everyday, I would simply quit!

    In my experience...when ya first begin learning, you practice 3-4 hours ( sometimes a little more) a day for MAYBE 1-3 years, & then it becomes AUTOMATIC wherein ya simply don't need to spend long hours practicing your toss.

    Stay Sharp? Stay fine tuned? How the fu**k can you NOT be fine tuned after 3-5 years of serious practice? Listen, I love tossing dice just as much as any Mechanical tosser, but after XYZ number of years, PRACTICE shouldn't require more than 10-15 minutes, once or twice a week.

    Practicing for hours on a daily basis after 5-10 years of experience pretty much means that ya didn't learn things correctly. Now, mind you......I am speaking strictly of proper fundamentals.

    I play pool MAYBE 1-2 times a year, but my stroke, fundamentals are still intact. Although my eyesight is not what it once was, I can STILL " catch a gear", & light up the board!

    I understand that every individual learns at their own pace but if you still need that "tactile" feeling Of tossing dice after practicing for 3 years or more........I just cannot understand WHY!

    I think that what most Di's, Mechanical tossers fail to realize is that once you perfect your mechanics, ya still are fighting being SLIGHTLY above random. No amount of practice is gonna change that, even though ya might develop a flawless Delivery!

    Yeah, that's a hard pill to swallow for most practictioners, but the Math of the game is a damning reality, & a superior, flawless Delivery won't even put a dent in the Math of the game.

    Why do ya think Guys like Rick, Gargoil, Demango, & others harp on having a sound betting strategy? Good Dice Tossing is only 20% of the equation. How successfully ya bet is the other 80%.
     
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  20. DeMango, Sep 22, 2017

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    Great post TT, you just can't fix stupid.
     
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