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  1. Settingcanthurt, Apr 9, 2018

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  2. MisterInside, Apr 9, 2018

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    Doesn't it ultimately boil down to needing a 2/3rds Senate vote to remove Trump from office? I can't
    imagine that happening in such a partisan Congress that exists today. Where is the high crime or
    misdemeanor? It's only about sex. Campaign finance law violation? It's only about sex. I think that the
    House will swing Democratic in the mid-term election but that the Senate will provide the necessary
    sanctuary.

    But I am concerned about the reaction to the financial markets which have greatly benefited from Trump's
    economic policies. Obviously, general optimism and corporate profits have also greatly contributed. Isn't it
    reasonable to expect that a Democratic president would have an adverse impact to the same markets simply because of policy? Isn't that inevitable, whether in 2020 or 2024?

    I don't know if it's a Deep State or not, but he's got lots and lots of people against him regardless of what
    he does on the job. Personally, I agree with 90+ percent of what he has done in office. He's the first
    President in my lifetime who has followed thru on so many campaign promises. Unfortunately, it doesn't
    matter. The man is hated by too many despite anything that he does, successful or not. Look at the recent
    House seat in southwest Pennsylvania. Coal country, steel country, an area that Trump won by more than
    25 percent was won by a Democrat. Granted, a good candidate against a bad candidate. Of course, he
    is his own worst enemy at times.

    Meanwhile, while our do nothing Congress is doing nothing, I would like to see the Attorney General display some courageous leadership.
     
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  3. basicstrategy777, Apr 11, 2018

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    It was a smart move by mueller........Trump's personal lawyer for many years must have a treasure trove of information of all kinds...recent and long,;long ago. Including probably tax returns.

    If mueller can't get Trump with this haul, he won't get him.


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    The furure of this country is hanging by a thread.

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  4. Settingcanthurt, Apr 11, 2018

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    Preet Bharara: Maybe Robert Mueller Was Behind the Cohen FBI Raid After All
    by Colin Kalmbacher | 12:27 pm, April 10th, 2018
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    Michael Cohen
    has been raided by the FBI.

    As the president struggles to understand what “attorney-client privilege” actually means, those keen on deeper knowledge have attempted to suss out the upshot of the possible players involved. To wit, the Southern District of New York–one of the nation’s most prestigious state-based federal court systems–and maybe Robert Mueller after all?

    That’s the implication in a series of tweets sent by infamously sacked former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara–a man with a podcast and a very thorough understanding of the way things work in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York (“SDNY”). Bharara tweeted at 6:49 p.m. on Monday:

    I need to see more specific reporting before I’m 100% convinced this is a full-on “referral” to SDNY. I could be completely wrong but such a referral seems peculiar. Of course much is peculiar these days.

    Bharara’s initial statement was quickly followed up by this one:

    If Cohen flips, for example, and has Russia-related information to testify about, Special Counsel and SDNY are going to share this witness?

    Realizing he was on a roll and had worked himself up into an analytical lather of sorts, Bharara then entertained his apparently preferred theory. At 6:57 p.m. on Monday, he tweeted again:

    As [Matthew Miller] just suggested, it seems that if the Mueller team were retaining the Michael Cohen piece, they would still need a “clean team” (or “taint team”) to deal with the sensitivities of A-C privilege. That could be SDNY.

    Matthew Miller is MSNBC‘s in-house legal analyst and suggested–on Monday evening and again Tuesday morning–that SDNY’s investigative effort was the “clean team” tasked with sorting through Cohen’s files and then turning over the non-privileged information to Mueller’s army of attorneys.

    Key word here: “tasked.”

    Law&Crime‘s prior reporting on this story has suggested the joint SDNY-FBI Cohen raid was based on a “referral” from the special counsel’s office. That’s another way of saying the two investigations are not necessarily connected. The source for that claim, however, is Michael Cohen’s attorney, Stephen Ryan.

    In much-publicized comments, Ryan said, in relevant part, “I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.”

    A prior analysis by Law&Crime‘s Rachel Stockman pointed out the conditional, lawyerly use of language in Ryan’s statement. That is, the inclusion of the weasel phrase, “in part” could very well mean there’s Transformers-level moving parts to the Cohen raid happening behind the scenes. In other words, Ryan’s statement could support the idea that Mueller’s role here is much more than simply being a referring party.

    Rather, the theory goes, Mueller might have sent SDNY on a hunt. Not a wild goose chase. But an honest-to-goodness hunt for certain evidence in Cohen’s possession. Using the SDNY’s authority therefore would serve the function of side-stepping thorny issues of attorney-client privilege. This appears to be the conclusion that Miller and Bharara have both settled upon.

    In real terms and beyond legalese this means: Robert Mueller may have used the SDNY raid to scoop up as much evidence from Cohen as he possibly could (of course, they would still have to have probable cause that a crime occurred to even get such a warrant). Those SDNY-affiliated investigators would sort through (and keep) the files protected by attorney-client privilege while the rest of the potential evidence on Trump, Cohen, et, al. conveniently finds itself in Mueller’s waiting hands.

    In other words: maybe this wasn’t a referral at all.

    [image via Craig Barritt/Getty Images for The New Yorker]

    Follow Colin Kalmbacher on Twitter: @colinkalmbacher

    Editor’s note: this article has been amended to clarify the distinction between state and federal court.

    Follow Law & Crime
    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/preet-bharara-robert-mueller-behind-michael-cohen-fbi-raid/
     
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  5. badddoin, Apr 11, 2018

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    The payment to the porn actress is problematic for both Cohen and Trump, being so close in time to the election. The talking heads, though, seem to be in near unanimous consensus that a campaign finance infraction alone wouldn't get a search warrant. I also don't see it being a matter of Cohen lying to the bank about what he was going to use the HELOC money for.

    In order for a judge to sign off on this warrant, (s)he would have to be pretty damned convinced that there was evidence to be had. This guy isn't exactly a high-school drop-out drug dealer. The judge knows whatever comes of the warrant - or even if nothing comes of it - It's gonna be scrutinized up-and-down, left-and-right, and inside-out.

    My gut on this is telling me it's going to be a big nothing burger.

    Unlike his boss, Cohen isn't a fucking moron. He saw what happened to Manafort when Mueller was convinced that he wasn't being forthcoming. Cohen had to know he was in the crosshairs. That being said, all the "dead bodies" should be resting quietly in a storage unit in Hoboken. And, quite frankly, if they're not, then they deserve what they get.
     
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  6. Settingcanthurt, Apr 11, 2018

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    See this is exactly why you are defined as being full of shit. Just kidding.
    Muellers hail mary is what this is. he is using the NY Justice department to do his fishing. This way he can say it was not him. But we all know this is his last gasp and he knows nothing can be used against Trump from this as it is all tainted evidence. Best he can hope for is a tax return he can try to use to sway public opinion, by leaking it illegally.
    Now Cohen is a different story. Where are you getting this HELOC stuff from? What Cohen is guilty of is using monies.. campaign? to pay the whore off he was banging. Nothing to do with President Trump. Rosenberg and Wray may both end doing time over all this. And Mueller is running wild on this and will pay a price someday but he must first conclude the investigation, then take his lumps.
     
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  7. Settingcanthurt, Apr 11, 2018

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    Thats funny. Say a video the other day of Kimmel up Stormys puss with a camera on one of her photo shoots. Hard to tell who is the bigger slut.
     
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  8. badddoin, Apr 12, 2018

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    When will you learn not to listen to Hannity? How many times has he promised you that people are going to jail?
     
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  9. Settingcanthurt, Apr 12, 2018

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    Baddoing i just am so flustered with you. I do so much wish you would pay attention.
    All the separate sources and resources I lovingly bring to your attention and you refer to hannity, your boogieman. No wonder you are a libturd.
    It may not be until President Trumps second term but i guarantee some of these many many players will do jail time. Lots of it. Why do you think they are all working so hard to keep the truth hidden. Why do you think they are working so hard to stop President Trump? They know this term is just round one. he gets reelected and guess what??? MAGA goes to KAG After the sufferable Omobba years this is sweet and juicy.
     
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  11. yacraps, Apr 13, 2018

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    [email protected]#^king Set..LOL;)
     
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