ELEMENTARY METHOD TO ESTABLISH FAIR or BIASED DICE

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  1. hartzehn22, Dec 11, 2016

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    TDV- good question. It could be tampered with but I didn't say that, you alluded to it. I want to have faith in the system but lets face it, the casinos control every aspect of the game except pulling money out of your wallet. We can choose how we play, how we bet, where we bet, when we bet. We can't control the actually table surface or use our own die but we can still shoot the bones as we see fit as long as we hit the table then the back wall and don't slide them. That is what I know I can control and that in my opinion is enough! That is my only advantage. The caliper on the other hand, is out of my control but I think seeing it used on a consistent basis prior to putting the die on the table, could be interesting or maybe not.
     
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  2. HornHiYo, Dec 11, 2016

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    You have warned against Dark, Red, Dice!?
    How many Dark Red Dice have been manufactured and how large is your Dark, Red, Dice sample?
     
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  3. TDVegas, Dec 11, 2016

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    I'm all for putting on the game face, treating your session as a battle---a compettition, war. Trying to outdo an opponent. I spent many years playing sports doing the same.

    Once you've delved into the "you're cheating me" crap....

    You've become a sore loser.

    If the casino was a human opponent, it would tell you to cry to mom, not me. Don't be a sore loser. Man up. Admit defeat to yourself and try again another day.

    If you don't think you are getting a fair shake....walk, never to be seen again. I would. I have no use for cheaters. Not sure why others do. Gambling isn't food or water. You don't need it to survive.
     
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  4. hartzehn22, Dec 11, 2016

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  5. eagleeye2, Dec 11, 2016

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    HornHiYo,

    Think on this one a bit!

    It's NOT how many ""Dark Red Dice have been Manufactured"", but weather the "Dark Red Dice in Play at any Time are Balanced or NOT".

    I gave all that Read & Comprehend the Very First Post here, a method to Establish the Likelihood of Fair or Biased Dice in Play; PRIOR to You investing your Hard Earned $$$ on a Specific Craps Table.

    All can use it for their personal benefit, or ... proceed blindly & at their own RISK, when it comes to the possibility of Playing against BIASED DICE, it's strictly up to YOU!!!

    eagleeye2
     
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  6. twodicebilly, Dec 11, 2016

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    tdv


    I imagine your kidding here, I gave you the only real
    opportunity for proof on here....

    3 days, 10 hands each day against me....

    that gives you all the proof you need to show I cant
    average more than 8 rolls a hand.,, you are right
    there to count them... three days in a row.....

    and you have 50/50 chance to make $2000

    If cant get any better than that,..... all the proof you need
    to show I am and the DI stuff is a fraud and you get paid
    to do it....

    MY word... what are you waiting for.

    And to make matters worse, I have to pay to get there, pay
    to stay there..... it costs you nothing.!!!!

    twodicebilly

    PS get your buddy autoguy to pay half the money, he is
    as sure as you are that we are all frauds...
     
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  7. TDVegas, Dec 11, 2016

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    Hartzehn...Fixed it for you...
     
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  8. Settingcanthurt, Dec 11, 2016

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    A flat passer is a name for a single shaved die on the 3 or 4 side and a normal die. The numbers 4, 5, 9 and 10 tend to get rolled more frequently. A six-ace flat is known for when one of the die have the 1 or 6 side shaved. Finally a flat passer is a name give to the dice when one die has the 1 and 6 shaved and the other dice has the 3 and 4 shaved.
    https://www.lolcraps.com/craps/fixed-dice/
     
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  9. Settingcanthurt, Dec 11, 2016

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    Only two copies of the following Tract are known to exist. One of these was purchased by the late Mr. Heber, at Nassau's sale, for 7: 17: 6, and that collector, in a note on the fly-leaf, says, - "The present copy formerly belonged to Topham Beauclerk, (Cat. Lon. 1781, n. 4137), and I never saw or heard of another. It formed one of eight very curious old tracts bound together in one volume, a manuscript list of which, in an ancient, perhaps contemporary, hand, was inscribed on the back of the title page of the first. From this authority, it appears that Gilbert Walker was the author of the present treatise." Lowndes mentions another edition, printed by Richard Tottyl, 1532, 16mo.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Ma...-of-Dice-Play-Classic-Reprint/762351867220135

    “A Manifest Detection of the Most Vyle and Detestable Use of Dice Play.
     
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  10. eagleeye2, Dec 12, 2016

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    Settingcanthurt,

    Yes, there are numerous techniques to Create Biased Dice, ... did that article mention ""Differential Cooling"" as a means to produce Non Uniform Density in an Extruded Blank?

    I think not, as it's only been relatively recently that Casino Dice have been Cut From Extruded Blanks, then further Processed into Casino Dice.

    Regardless of the technique utilized to create a BIAS in Casino Dice, the technique I gave in the Very First Post on this thread, when Read & Comprehend PROVIDES a method to Establish the Likelihood of Fair or Biased Dice in Play; PRIOR to You investing your Hard Earned $$$ on a Specific Craps Table.

    All can use it for their personal benefit, or ... proceed blindly & at their own RISK, when it comes to the possibility of Playing against BIASED DICE, it's strictly up to YOU!!!

    eagleeye2
     
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  11. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 12, 2016

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    It is always the responsibility of the player to evaluate ANY casino game themselves before they play. Casinos will operate the game within the limits of the laws, if there are any laws, and even then the laws may not protect you from malfeasance or unintended consequences such as due to inferior gambling dice being used on the tables.

    To say that there are no Bias Dice is absurd, because the very construction of the American six sided die is bias to begin with. It is a question to the degree of bias that we are discussing here, and for the most part so called 'fair dice' the bias is so minimal that there is no noticeable or measurable effect on the rolls. But then, there are dice that are bias where it is 'noticeable and measurable'.

    Should player exploit bad dice? Absolutely! I see players all the time noticing that the dice are rolling a particular way and make bets to exploit what they see. "Hey, lay the 5" they tell me, "Because it never rolls!'. All good times till the pitboss realizes that they need to change the dice.

    When it comes to casinos and cheating, there is a BIG GRAY AREA right there. Now if I or the casino does something to directly interfere with result, that is cheating - however, if some third-party element was involved such as inferior quality dice that rolled funny, then it is not clear at all if it is cheating - BECAUSE the player could easily enough bet with the bias too.

    Perhaps this is where the casino position is at then: that if the player is aware enough and smart enough to see what is happening then they can win. I do think it is all in how you look at this issue. If there was no possibility of the player to win with the use of inferior dice then perhaps there would be more interest in this issue from the Government regulators.

    Push the button
    Two issues with this game:
    1. You have no idea what technologyis inside of those large red rounded corner dice;
    2. You have no idea what technology is under the dice plunger that may be influencing them
    BubbleCrapsDice.jpg

    The rounded corners of the dice allow the dice to roll around far more than normal dice, making them easier to influence due to counter weights inside the dice or external forces such as magnets under the felt. Regular rounded corner dice like this, such as found in kids games, are greatly affected by the dice of the faced weights. I have used kids dice on a craps table as a joke where we the observers saw a high 12/11/2/3 results because of the bias in the dice faces. Oddly similar to what you see with the Shoot to Win dice as well.

    After evaluating this game, I have come now to the position that this game is a SLOT Machine for all the reasons I cite above AND do not recommend play on this machine.

    There are people who do play this machine for points, but that is a very different type of play
     
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  12. twodicebilly, Dec 12, 2016

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    TDV

    you said ...
    I win...my skills
    I lose...bad dice.

    There is no other option.


    More hog wash from the king of hog wash..

    You have so little repsect for anyone that works
    with the dice you are blind to everything.

    Bad dice exist, that does not mean you are
    automatically going to win or lose.... it is just a fact.

    I have spoken to a good many DI's after play and the vast
    majority of the time they upderstand exactly what happened.
    Their shots looked good and they won or maybe even lost. their
    shots looked like crap and they won or they admit they were
    damn lucky... Bad dice are not an excuse to lose, and you never
    have seen me use it as one... and it is damned rare I ever hear
    anyone else use it.

    twodicebilly
     
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  13. TDVegas, Dec 12, 2016

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    The points offered on bubble craps are next to nothing and frankly it's not even worth playing it for points. There is good reason why they do not offer good points on bubble craps like they award points on slots...

    And that would be....because....

    Bubble craps is not a slot. It's random. Just like the tables.

    Prople can sing the tune it's a slot until they turn blue. It's false.

    When you start looking at the evidence, real evidence and not misinformed or just completely made up statements with zero evidence to back it up...well, you get the picture.

    The chopped off corners better ensure a random result.

    There is no one playing bubble craps for points. They could just play a real slot and get a much, much higher return of points.

    Those who have actually played this game for years know the points are next to nothing. They do not play this game for points. They also know it's a random game.

    James Hall will play it. He likes those pictures I've posted. :)
    A convert.
     
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  14. Twelve4s, Dec 12, 2016

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    Are those bubble dice screwing, in the missionary position?

    And is that you Craps, reflecting in the glass?
     
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  15. twodicebilly, Dec 13, 2016

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    TDV


    IT was nice to see you last night!!!!!!!

    At first I did not know it was you, I was called at 5;30
    to one of my rental units. The guy was breaking
    windows and throwing bottles through them

    When I got there that is exactly what was going on. I had
    called the cops before I got there but I could not allow this
    guy to destroy the apartment so in I went.

    All I kept hearing was hollering......you cant get an SRR
    over 8, you cant win setting the dice, why are you so stupid??
    crash some else went through the window....I got in the door
    and the kitchen was destroyed, the table was in 50 pieces, all
    the windows were broke, the cabinets had holes in them and all
    of a sudden that guy was on the floor,, I don't know how he got there... really ,,it was all so sudden....

    When he calmed down he kept saying god made him do this
    because he was so mad at god, and it was a good thing the kid
    did not see this.....

    Now it ended up the guy was so high on drugs he lost it, the
    good news is the 8 year old kid that was there got so scared of
    this guy he had called his grandmother and she had taken him out just before the guy went nuts....

    Life is strange.... one guy goes nuts because he is mad at god
    and destroys the kitchen, you cant get an SRR over 6 so you want
    take it out on DI's on here....

    I see you have let your hair grow a little...


    twodicebilly
     
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  16. eagleeye2, Dec 13, 2016

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    Worth Repeating under the circumstaNCES!

    Yes, there are numerous techniques to Create Biased Dice, ... did that article mention ""Differential Cooling"" as a means to produce Non Uniform Density in an Extruded Blank?

    I think not, as it's only been relatively recently that Casino Dice have been Cut From Extruded Blanks, then further Processed into Casino Dice.

    Regardless of the technique utilized to create a BIAS in Casino Dice, the technique I gave in the Very First Post on this thread, when Read & Comprehend PROVIDES a method to Establish the Likelihood of Fair or Biased Dice in Play; PRIOR to You investing your Hard Earned $$$ on a Specific Craps Table.

    All can use it for their personal benefit, or ... proceed blindly & at their own RISK, when it comes to the possibility of Playing against BIASED DICE, it's strictly up to YOU!!!

    eagleeye2
     
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  17. Settingcanthurt, Dec 13, 2016

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    Sorry but I did'nt trashed your investment. The Russians did it. Just before you got there Hildabeast and four Russian security guys busted in the first window and grabbed me. I fought back hard to protect your place till Hildabeast injected me with her personal drug stash. WOW thats some good shit. Anyway theey were looking for Trump. (they were all high) Someone told them they were in Vegas on a FU tour. They shot me up and I started blabbering stuff from the Craps Forum. This freaked them out and they left out a back window. Don't listen to the kid. He has Made in China stamped on his ass. Next to the Google Robotics sticker.
    Hildabeast says Bill will be contacting you to pay for this play. You like Bimbos???
     
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  18. Onautopilot, Dec 13, 2016

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    Write it of on your taxes, keep the deposit, evict the guy, change the locks, find a better tenant.....goes with the territory.

    You could do the same with TDV.....evict him from your property, it's called ignore! But once ignored, quit mentioning him in your posts, and I am sure he will "go away" in your mind.....or maybe not! :)
     
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  19. TDVegas, Dec 13, 2016

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    I doubt it;)

    Only took a few in college...but my psychology courses are making me think these guys don't like what they are hearing because of the truth to it. A confident, secure individual would just ignore my disbelief that there is a system or play (or an 8 SRR long term) to "beat the game"....an insecure individual and one not likely doing what he says he can do is going to constantly beat the drum.

    “Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.”
    -Friedrich Nietzsche


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  20. twodicebilly, Dec 13, 2016

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    You are 100% correct there.... and I would be willing
    to forget about the guy as soon as I see any indication
    from him that he has any respect for anyone that believes
    differently than he does.....

    I have even offered to meet him in vegas so he can see
    for himself.... still he keeps insulting....


    system or play (or an 8 SRR long term) to "beat the game"....an insecure individual and one not likely doing what he says he can do is going to constantly beat the drum.

    “Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.”
    -Friedrich Nietzsche "

    Autoguy you don't see the other side of it because you
    feel the same way he does...

    Either put up or shut up... I have offered to put up!!!

    If TDV went as far as you do with" I hope you can do what ever it is you say you can... but for the record, I cant do that
    and have not seen any one else do it"

    Now see that is an honest answer that does not insult others..... TDV CANT DO THAT.. has never been able
    to do that...

    But its ok I can wait.. I don't fret over him, but as long as I get
    on the site, I take that advantage of the opportunity to say
    I am willing to meet him and have him record all the rolls.

    twodicebilly
     
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