Due Theory

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by badddoin, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. tabletop123, Apr 2, 2018

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    Lol
     
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  2. tabletop123, Apr 2, 2018

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    Does anyone know where I can find any .50 cent tables? I'd like to determine if I can play Craps as a SOLE source of income. I can SOMETIMES influence the dice, so I figure since there's very little risk at a 50 cent table...I should be able to grind out a very comfortable living!

    Perhaps purchase a Airplane ( like the Mesa gang) from my winnings, & fly all over the world playing Craps, & living the good life, perhaps?
     
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  3. random_roller, Apr 2, 2018

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    I think you will need a time machine to find such a craps table. LID might be able to help out. Also, don't forget your copy of Gray's Sports Almanac (and a spare flux capacitor) should you venture back in time.
     
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  4. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 2, 2018

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    Alternately, I've heard some beryllium spheres can take you back 17 seconds, enough to bet on what just rolled. There's a factory somewhere in Texas by the looks of it; probably will have to ask somebody from there where it is. Be prepared for some tough negotiations.
     
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  5. von duck, Apr 3, 2018

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    Niether gives a shit, if someone wants to make come bets. If a guy wants to make bets that suck, that's his business. :confused: You seem to be all too choosy,as to which wrongs you willing to right. And, you know exactly what I'm talking about, don't you? Yes you do. :) You're just so damned righteous, aren't you. :oops:.
     
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  6. Mssthis1, Apr 3, 2018

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    The Server error is easy to fix. You do it like this.

    Jacob: How much beer money would you need to upgrade to gerbils with more bandwidth? I started the process with a $20 donation this morning.
     
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  7. von duck, Apr 3, 2018

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    And followed with a lie?:D
     
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  8. random_roller, Apr 3, 2018

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    The straight answer to your simple question is Mssthis1 probably found the information online. I searched for -- and easily found -- an official document that includes the numbers he had posted. Note in my earlier post I indicated FYTD2018, as the figures are a moving target based upon a fiscal year. Any member who isn't too lazy to conduct their own research can locate the document in question. Information that is publicly available on casino gambling operations varies by state. Use Google to determine which agency regulates casino gambling in the target state and search its website. Not exactly rocket science.

    I'll even get you started by providing the following:

    For example, the Illinois Gaming Board (IGB) regulates casino & video gambling operations (and associated tax collections) in the state. IGB publishes -- and makes publicly available -- several periodic reports. As of my last visit to 9 of the 10 casinos in the state (2016/2017), none of them had electronic craps machines. The lone casino I did not visit in that timeframe is Harrah's Metropolis.

    IGB Home Page
    https://www.igb.illinois.gov/default.aspx

    IGB Annual Report (searchable by year)
    https://www.igb.illinois.gov/AnnualReport.aspx

    IGB 2017 Annual Report
    https://www.igb.illinois.gov/FilesAnnualReport/2017IGBAnnualReport.pdf

    IGB Monthly Reports for Riverboats
    https://www.igb.illinois.gov/RiverboatReports.aspx

    FOIA request information
    https://www.igb.illinois.gov/FOIA.aspx
     
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  9. Mssthis1, Apr 3, 2018

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    Yep; Since the last time I had looked my state had replaced full year 2017 with YTD 2018 and I did miss that tidbit in the previous posts.

    https://irgc.iowa.gov/publications/gaming-revenue

    Somewhere I have seen Nevada broken down similarly but, I didn't save a shortcut. I don't go there that often and didn't feel the need to research it any further.
     
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  10. von duck, Apr 3, 2018

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    A better answer to my question, would NOT have the disclaimer "probably" in it. Your only chiming in, to help him out of a tight spot. You should let him F'k the answer up all by himself. When something is not right, I pick up on it quicker than most, and I know damned well, that these numbers could not be from the intire year of 2018, as he stated. Let his "chips" fall where they may, and everything will come out in the wash. I know this guy is bullshit, just like his brother, so let him prove it. :cool:
     
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  11. random_roller, Apr 3, 2018

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    I have no reason to think Mssthis1 or TDVegas have a (nefarious) hidden agenda. My opinion. Offering a difference of opinion or pointing out logical/factual inconsistencies & errors in other posts doesn't necessarily mean there are dark forces at work covertly conspiring to take over this forum. You apparently think otherwise and have been quite vociferous about it. Watch too many X-Files re-runs? The ball is in your court. As Clara Peller famously asked years ago, "Where's the Beef?"
     
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  12. von duck, Apr 4, 2018

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    I notice how you very conveniently left out the name of your state, thereby making it difficult for anyone to verify, this very obvious "patch-job". :)
     
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  13. von duck, Apr 4, 2018

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    I never said what they do is criminal, and any other definition of your, "very carefully chosen word" would be a matter of opinion, and is therefore pointless to address. My question was, how did he come across such detailed info, on a particular casino, and I think it is a fair and logical question. The answer should be very simple, and yet is being, tip-toed around, why? TDs posts, very obviously represent the business interest of the casino industry. His affront to anyone that ever walked out with one of their dollars, indicates that he is not a casual poster, but likely a hired "gun". He and his clan, use the same "catch-phrases" and "dumb-logic", objections, to defend the casino position. By the way, I didn't say "TD" in the post, I said, " he and his brother" so, I guess you think so too, huh? :)
     
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  14. random_roller, Apr 4, 2018

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    If memory serves, you have made that allegation before (see links below) on this forum, but no surprise here -- you haven't been able to prove the existence of any relationship between Mssthis1 and TDVegas. Note that I'm not saying there couldn't be some connection between the two. I don't know either of the individuals so I'm not in position to conclusively state one way or the other. Thus far, however, you have only made an unsubstantiated accusation about this issue, of which I am reminding you.

    Inducement and innuendo is not the way to win a debate. So once again, where's the beef?


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  15. von duck, Apr 4, 2018

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    Whether or not there is a connection between them isn't that important. What is important, I think, is how did MTO get such detailed information on one particular casino, and why won't he just say, so that we can verify the accuracy of his statement. One might also ask, why this important part, was left out of your last post, while you concentrated, on the frivolous stuff. It would seem that, for whatever reason, that you are trying to assist him/or her, with dodging the important issue. HOW WAS THE INFORMATION OBTAINED? What's so difficult?:confused: :)
     
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  16. random_roller, Apr 4, 2018

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    Mssthiss1 has provided you with a link. What's so difficult about doing your own research / reviewing a document? Or are you a lazy POS who wants others to provide everything? Read the appropriate document and you should be able to match figures with what he had posted.
     
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  17. TDVegas, Apr 4, 2018

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    Hmmm....I'm going to go with door #2, Monty.:)
     
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  18. von duck, Apr 4, 2018

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    I went to the GD provided link, and it didn't say anything about "hold" it provided "payback" % and I'm not sure how they calculated that. He was quoting "hold" at specific games, I don't see it. I'll give him a C- for the effort. That's the highest mark he, or any of his "kin" have ever scored. :)
     
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  19. von duck, Apr 4, 2018

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    Here's the original post again. Go to his link and see if you can find anything like this. This guy is total bullshit, and the brother too.
     
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  20. random_roller, Apr 4, 2018

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    If memory serves, your original question was WHERE Mssthis1 got the figures he posted (see below). Not HOW they were derived. Mssthis1 provided the link to where he got the data in question.


    No need for me to revisit the document. Actually, I found it independent of (and prior to) the link provided by Mssthis1. FWIW, I'm satisfied with what Mssthis1 has posted to this thread, including his subsequent acknowledgement that the percentages were based upon Year-To-Date (YTD) data, not full year. Note that I had previously pointed out a few items (e.g., FYTD2018 data and a blended % for Electronic Table Games), which IMO are limitations on how the data can reasonably be interpreted. Again, that document is likely the best information the general public will have access to, good, bad, or indifferent.

    BTW, I'm not opposed to helping out if you're not able to find the information in question. All I ask is you first give it a fair effort on your own. That being said, check PDF Page 4 (Prairie Meadows Racetrack & Casino) of the document. Partial table data is as follows:

    Craps
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    Electronic Table Games
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    The document uses the following:

    Table Revenue % = Table Revenue / Table Drop (then converted to %). This is a Hold % calculation.

    For Craps, Table Revenue % = $1,627,038 / $6,989,849 = 0.2328 = 23.28%.
     
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