Does the Come Bet Suck?

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Does the Come Bet Suck?

  1. Yes

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    27.3%
  2. No

    24 vote(s)
    72.7%
  1. betwthelines, Dec 3, 2017

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    ok...let's put a stop to this once and for all and find out what the forum REALLY thinks---well...ok...at least put forth a snapshot in time...then maybe do it again in a year? see if results change significantly...lol

    vote early but not often.

    tom p
     
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  2. James Hall, Dec 3, 2017

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    I am about ready to give up , I think there are still people playing that bet
    I don't think Autopilot does , he seems more intelligent than that
     
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  3. $nakeEye$, Dec 3, 2017

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    The " Come Bet " is a CONTRACT BET which can NOT be altered once it's established -

    It IS WORKING on the Come Out roll - which MOST shooters try to throw a " 7 " which is a Pass Line WINNER -

    However, as the Come Bet is WORKING on the Come Out roll -

    It LOSES -

    AND needs to reestablished AGAIN in order to produce a WIN !

    The casino is gracious enough to ONLY take the FLAT portion of this bet and return ANY odds to the player !


    OTOH -

    The PLACE bet is OFF on the Come-Out roll and is NOT affected by a winning " 7 " on the Come Out roll -

    It ALSO pays MORE - 9-5 on the 4 and/or 10 ; 7-5 on the 5 and/or Nine ; and 7-6 on the Six and/or 8 -

    DOES the COME BET SUCK ?

    BIG TIME !


    IF one is to play somewhat " intelligently " and let the " dice dictate " the numbers to bet -

    Perhaps the Dice Doctor's " converted come bet strategy " would be THE WAY to bet the game -


    For those unfamiliar with this strategy it is simply to PLACE BET the number thrown for a like amount that you would have bet FLAT AND w/ODDS !

    e.g. $10 flat with $50 odds equates to $60 Place Bet !


    YOU then have TOTAL CONTROL over the bet -

    Significantly different that what you are subjected to with the Contract Come Bet !


    Additionally, the Place Bet pays MORE than the Flat Come with Odds !


    $...eE..$
     
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  4. Onautopilot, Dec 3, 2017

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    Most of the people that understand EV of the bets will not vote.....they prefer to stay out of the fray, they know what the real answer is, and that's enough for them. So, I'm afraid the vote will be skewed. But we will see I reckon. :)
     
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  5. $nakeEye$, Dec 3, 2017

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    The " EV " and the REAL OUTCOME are " Apples and Oranges " -

    Face the " REALITY " of the situation and admit that the PLACE BET has it " Hands Down " over the Come Bet !

    UNLESS YOU are the shooter - the TWO worst bets that can be made at the table -

    AND are ADVOCATED by the casinos are the Pass Line and Come Bets !

    THEY KNOW that ONCE a point is established the ODDS are favored that the POINT will NOT be made !

    THAT is WHY they charge a VIG on the lay bets !

    As a former dealer YOU should know better than to spew the nonsense that the casinos do !

    But, then again SOMEONE has to pay the monthly electric bill !


    The " wise " shooter will play a PL and DP bet simultaneously to offset this dilemma !

    And THEN - PLACE BET - numbers that have produced !

    $...eE..$
     
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  6. betwthelines, Dec 3, 2017

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    what "fray"? there is no fray.

    what precipitated the poll is a fray, yes, but this is a Secret Ballot.

    your unfortunate specliations may be giving peoples ideas...this is weird for a liberal-leaning personage...don't libs generally want to encourage high voter turnout?

    otoh you are also "independent-leaning" so...whatever...

    tom p
    -g. geist: right, exactly, "whatever"...this whole post is "whatever": meaningless blubbering
    --tom p:
     
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  7. von duck, Dec 3, 2017

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    Ah ha! So there you have it. The come bet is favored by "lazy" people, that will shirk their civic responsibilities, and who knows what other evil deeds. I think this pretty much proves that the come bet does in fact "SUCK". Free men unite, vote, "SUCKS", and save the country.:)
     
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  8. $nakeEye$, Dec 3, 2017

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    von duck -

    Personally, I could care LESS what the " Majority " thinks about the " Come Bet vs the Place Bet " strategy -

    I KNOW what the MOST advantageous route is -

    I do NOT have to be mislead by the UNKNOWING -

    As per my synopsis above -

    It should be quite apparent / readily obvious as to WHY the " COME BET " is definitely " LACKING " -

    ALL the way around !


    IF - ONE - after reading the above - elects to favor the COME BET over the PLACE BET -

    THAT is THEIR prerogative -

    And let the " chips fall where they may " in THAT respect !


    Each one of us has their own particular style of play -

    SOME are more fluid than others - and tend to alter their style of play relative to present and/or immediate past table trends / conditions -

    OTHERS are set in their ways and will NOT deviate regardless of WHAT is transpiring around them !


    Personally, I could give a F*CK LESS as to WHAT - ANYONE thinks - OR - SAYS here !

    In the final analysis - it comes down to - WHAT YOU CAN DO at the TABLE !


    NOTHING MORE - NOTHING LESS !


    A WHOLE LOT of people on this board " TALK the TALK " -

    BUT -

    FEW can " WALK the WALK " !

    Enough said - !


    $...eE..$
     
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  9. von duck, Dec 4, 2017

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    :confused::confused:Let's see, I'll put you down for "don't know". As far as the majority goes, who gives a shit? But there is a small minority, who's opinion I lean away from, because I know where it came from. :)
     
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  10. Onautopilot, Dec 4, 2017

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    I was just going by what I thought I observed from other polls on here, including the last "Does the come bet suck" one. The numbers show that the die hard innumerates all vote, but the ones that know the reality of it, must just shrug it off, because the final tally was no where near the "voiced" opinions on the forum.

    But, I will repent, and try to undo any harm I may have caused the poll with my observations.

    We know we will see yes votes from Rick, James, Snake, Dave, Duck, and maybe a couple more. But I am sure I could name close to 20 that would answer no if pressed, maybe more.

    So, lets get out and vote all you numerates! :)
     
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  11. $nakeEye$, Dec 4, 2017

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    OAP -

    Seriously, in the FINAL analysis -

    WHO - REALLY - GIVES a FLYING FUCK !

    Surely, NOT " I "!


    Have YOUR " numerates " vote to their hearts' content !

    Have them double , triple , quadruple cast their ballots -

    Just like the Democrats in inner cities do !

    $...eE..$
     
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  12. von duck, Dec 4, 2017

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    I think your try to skew the result by naming names. As you say, the ones that favor the come bet won't vote, and they probably don't bet either, which means, deep down, they know the come bet SUCKS!!! :). The question is "does the come bet suck", not does it have a better EV than this bet, or that. :cool:
     
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  13. DeMango, Dec 4, 2017

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    I seldom use the bet but I know some who have done well. It's a good bet to bet on random rollers and hope for the PSO. So my no vote is there.
     
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  14. basicstrategy777, Dec 4, 2017

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    I use come bets and place bets in my play.......is that OK ?

    777
     
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  15. HornHiYo, Dec 4, 2017

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    Ditto here. Come bets and either place or buy bets in my play and occasionally don’t bets.... is that OK too?
     
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  16. $nakeEye$, Dec 4, 2017

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    For WHAT ever reason -

    The " Rappin' Captain " was a proponent of the Come Bet with FULL ODDS -

    Particularly at the 100X level -

    HE , in MY , estimation , would be THE EXCEPTION !

    Otherwise, the COME BET DOES MOST INDEED -

    SUCK !

    $...eE..$
     
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  17. $nakeEye$, Dec 4, 2017

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    WHY would ANYone resort to making a " COME BET " ?

    WHAT is the BENEFIT of doing so ?

    Winning on a 7 out event ?

    Wait and make a Place Bet on the number thrown instead !


    Especially when that BET FALLS on a C/O winning 7 and then has to be re-established ?

    There are MORE better ways to play than to make that silly bet !

    $...eE..$
     
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  18. basicstrategy777, Dec 4, 2017

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    Why...?

    1. It has a lower house advantage than a place bet ; I would think this is to your advantage.

    2. You have 2 chances to win money with the come bet....on the 7/11 or the point. Can't do that with a place bet. ( 8 ways to win, 3 ways to lose AND you get paid even money with those odds )

    3. Acts as a hedge when you 7 out....

    4. Make more money then a place bet on a win with over 5 X odds.

    5. Can remove odds at any time.

    6. Forced discipline of getting money off the table on a win ; automatic removal is not available with a place bet.

    7. Repeaters are alot of fun.

    8. You can replace the bet with a place bet after a win and regress or increase bet to any amounts....can't replace a place bet with a come bet.

    This is off the top of my head and I'm sure others can fill in what I missed.

    777
     
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  19. von duck, Dec 4, 2017

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    Some damn SUCK-ASS changed his vote. TRAITOR!!!.:).
     
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  20. von duck, Dec 4, 2017

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    Get the hell out! :)
     
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