Do you suspect the casino cheating at the craps table?

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Hardeight, Jan 30, 2011.

  1. Pressit, Apr 8, 2016

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    All dice will spin when placed in the balance calipers, the question is will the person conducting this proceduer allow the dice to come to a complete rest before recording the end results. It is the end results that will define if the dice exhibit a certain bias.
     
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  2. rudeboy99, Apr 10, 2016

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    This thread has got to be the biggest load of horseshit that I've yet to encounter on this forum...here's a simple solution for those believing that the dice games at their regular place of wagering are gaffed...don't fuckin' play there anymore...if you are burdened with sarcastic, incompetent, ill-mannered dealers...don't play there any more...and stiff the louts on your way out...If you've got solid evidence that something fishy is taking place...turn their asses in to whatever regulatory body has the oversight responsibilities and bust their ass...until the problems are resolved, play the bubble machine...Jaysus people...it's not that complicated...;)
     
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  3. Edward-ky, Apr 10, 2016

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    Rudeboy,
    If they did that then Harley and eagle eye would have nothing to post on here.
     
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  4. rudeboy99, Apr 10, 2016

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    To be perfectly honest, I feel Harley is truly trying to help us non-believers see the light...and if his data on dice bias is for real...and I gotta hunch there is something skewed with the product control by the manufacturers it's an issue that needs to be addressed and resolved toot suite...The gambling business is based on the implied knowledge by most customers that while the house has an edge, the players win also, sometimes...and that everything is on the square...without this honesty factor, the house has no moral center and the whole situation becomes chaos...:cool: IMHO
     
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  5. eagleeye2, Apr 10, 2016

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    Edward-ky,

    Yes, there are those on this thread that cannot LEARN, yet attempt to prevent others from learning, real sick-o's they are!

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  6. Harley, May 30, 2016

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    If you want an example of how the corporate casinos know what they are doing - go over to Sunset Station in Las Vegas when both tables are open

    At Sunset - they often have green dice on the Firebet table - throwing tons of Horn numbers and quicker 7-outs .... The red dice are tossing inside numbers on the ATS table -- the casinos know what they are doing - that's no coincidence or accident

    Liman is correct !!
     
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  7. Pressit, May 30, 2016

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    That could mean a lot of dealers might just find themselves in the unemployment line. Everyone knows or suspects the game is rigged, most can't figure it out before they lose all the vacation money.

    Husband to wife: Honey I Shrunk the Vaction Money.
     
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  8. Harley, May 30, 2016

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    rudeboy99 - suppose what IF the casinos use bad quality control unbalanced dice from time to time on the tables that increases the House Advantage - that means most unsuspecting customers are winning less which in turn results in less dealer tips

    If I were a dealer I would make sure my union rep was negotiating better quality controls to make sure I had fair dice on the table that would not dilute my tips

    If the casino is cheating the customer, they are also cheating the dealers
     
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    I know for a fact casinos cheat.
    couple of months ago, I was at a rather large casino resort in the state of CT.
    At this point I wont mention which one, since I didn't follow up or take action.
    There I was, sitting at one of the coffee shop/diner type of food establishment, around 9 pm, and sure enough, the blueberries in my muffin only counted 9, but my wifes bluberry muffin had 16. I counted just to make sure.
    They thought they could pull a fast one and rob me of my blueberries.
    I took some cell phone pictures as evidence, but will not post them until I know Im not getting involved in a legal action.
     
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  10. rudeboy99, Jun 10, 2016

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    1st off Harley...no union rep...no union either...mores the pity. The casinos supply the equipment for the game, front line employees aren't consulted whatsoever in the choice of equipment used on the games. As I've said on this forum numerous times, back in the day every stick of new dice were "miked", without exception before being put in play...but I haven't seen a micrometer used in a dice pit for 15 years or more. I assumed the quality control had improved to the point where "miking" was superfluous. Apparently I couldn't be farther off base. :cool:
     
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    You didn't have to take pictures. Just call Sam Rothstein he would take care of this real quick.
    However you may want to retain Saul Goodman.
     
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  12. rudeboy99, Jun 10, 2016

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    7, where you work do you "mike" all new dice?
     
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  13. rudeboy99, Jun 10, 2016

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    Pressit...I'm guessing, but I think there's a whole lot of dead weight nationwide dealer-wise...
     
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    After 30yrs in the biz I never worked at a joint that didn't mike every new set of dice.
    I've worked at some joints that require the dice to be miked balanced and squared
    And some joints require these tasked to be performed with surveillance notification under a fixed camera.

    However I've been out of the business for 5 yrs so I really cant say what these procedures entail now.
     
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  15. rudeboy99, Jun 10, 2016

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    Like I've stated...I haven't seen any for about 15 years...but it IS Reno, and we're nothing if not out of the loop. Also, the composition of the dice aren't the same. They were made out of celluloid when I turned out(I think)...not this plastic BS...:cool:
     
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  16. 1 Tough Player, Jun 10, 2016

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    Whether the quality control of the casino dice is poor OR the house is actually tampering with the dice, nothing we do here is going to change things one iota.

    The ONLY way a casino will be taken to task is if the dice on one of their tables have a "equipment malfunction". Short of one of the pips falling off one of the die, it's going to business as usual. Short of any physical proof a casino is cheating, the rest is all here say.

    NO ONE except for the dice police on these boards actually give a shit about the dice any casino put into play. Most "amateurs" as Eagleye would call them venture to a casino to have fun and donate anyway.
     
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  17. Harley, Jun 10, 2016

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    rudeboy99 - thank you for your statement on the current state of affairs inside a Casino !!
     
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  18. Southern-Comfort, Jun 10, 2016

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    I really have a hard time imagining a casino risking reputation and legal action over crooked dice when theres so much they can legally do with the table. My favorite is soft spots under the felt. Not the entire surface, just little spots so one die hits soft and the other a harder surface. Casinos have no need of crooked dice.
     
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  19. TDVegas, Jun 10, 2016

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    If one doesn't even know the color of the dice on the table, how would they know anything else about the dice?

    "Bad dice" is the cry of the gambler who keeps getting his @ss kicked.

    At least that's how I see it.

    Try slots.
     
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  20. eagleeye2, Jun 10, 2016

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    TDVegas,

    Posting ""It doesn't matter if the dice are "biased" or "fair","" proves that you are:

    1) As Blind as a BAT!

    2) As Dumb as a ROCK!

    eagleeye2
     
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