Do you suspect the casino cheating at the craps table?

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Hardeight, Jan 30, 2011.

  1. Sancho Panza, Jan 22, 2012

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    That sure is a definitive and authoritative video.

    And these two buttress the point no end:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi7PMlAYJh8
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PIafzk8KJc&feature=related

    Just one little niggling question remains that neither you nor anybody who agrees with you has ever been able to answer. If you're so all-fired sure that the dice are biased toward seven (and maybe 11), why aren't you betting the don't and beating the pants off the house?
     
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  2. $nakeEye$, Jan 22, 2012

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    Personally,

    IF I suspected biased dice that were producing more 7's than normal -

    And I could care less be it the 6/1 - 5/2 - or 4/3 combinations -

    I would certainly make " lay bets " against ALL the numbers -

    Worst case scenario - you get shot down a number at a time - and stand to win the remaining #'s that were not thrown till the 7 appears !
     
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  3. DarkSiderRidah, Jun 27, 2012

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    Props to you, my dark friend. Thanks for that high limit table tip, I'd like to try that one day in case the PassLine is a lil too hot.

     
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    Just WOW you guys are delussion if you think casinos are cheating they cut their cut no matter who wins or loses IT IS IN THEIR INTEREST to keep the game straight both from a business and legal point of view
     
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  5. Mr7-11, Jul 7, 2012

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    Just a matter of time before some disgruntled casino employee with inside information about all this cheating goes to the press with credible information. We'll get the sordid details of the conspiracy that involves thousands of people to get magnetic controllers installed at craps tables in major casinos.
     
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  6. Automota, Jul 7, 2012

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    I would honestly say they have to much advantage to cheat. The craps table has built in randomizers in wall and dice themselves. The thing an employee told me is that if you removed the felt and went to the table itself, there are dice trap holes that further randomize the dice.
     
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    Just a matter of time? How much time do you need? Casinos have been around for over 50 years, employing thousands of people and "disgruntling" employees every day.
     
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  8. DeMango, Jul 8, 2012

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    Sarcasm. Some people just don't get it.
     
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  9. Twelve4s, Apr 6, 2016

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    What? There are cameras watching us? That's it for me....never walk into another casino
     
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  10. eagleeye2, Apr 7, 2016

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    An Unqualified YES, Casino's Do Cheat with UNBALANCED DICE!

    It has been Mathematically PROVEN, On this thread that any Unbalance in CRAPS DICE Whatsoever, Favors the CASINO!

    So why not cheat?

    Virtually NO Casino's employ Dice Balancers at the table, nor check for BALANCE of the DICE they use!

    My observations indicate that the likelihood is Three Unbalanced Dice & Two Balanced Dice making up the set of FIVE dice offered to the player.

    This combination provides Maximum Confusion to the Player, yet increases the Casino's TAKE at that table.

    Those that claim the CASINO's are Lily White,& post on this thread, are mostly current or past Casino Employees!

    My recommendation, find a Casino that employs Balanced Dice, likely Few & Far Between, & Play your CRAPS there.

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  11. Pressit, Apr 7, 2016

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    The casinos have to much to lose by out and out cheating, although you do have to keep a watchful eye on those dealers.

    As far as bias dice goes, it falls back to plausible deniability. What they don't know they don't know. Hey we don't manufacture the dice we just order them. Color, size, logo, sharpness seems right. The manufacturer tells use they are legal as per state regulation, who are we to say they aren't.

    Now having said all that, if the casinos would take the time to conduct a proper inspection of the dice, they may learn otherwise. But then what kind of can of worms have they just opened.
     
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  12. Titleistguy, Apr 7, 2016

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    Agreed.

    The casino's don't need to cheat, they have a few things on their side:

    1) Unfair payouts, thus built in advantage
    2) The law of large numbers, for them, the long run is a reality, and the -EV of all bets is realized profits for them
    3) There is too much @ stake if they were to get caught cheating
     
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  13. Titleistguy, Apr 7, 2016

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    One other thing,

    IF the casino's did load the dice to favor a seven - then folks can load up on the don't, and hop the sevens on the come out for hedge. I mean the 7's hop is only a bad bet on fair dice, if they're loaded, I'd go like 3-4 hundred on the don'ts, maybe hop the 7s on the come out for 75 or so...
     
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  14. lostinspace, Apr 7, 2016

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    Been informed by multiple folks that Greektown (Detroit) has a boxman each day checking the next days dice.
    He unwarps the dice spins them and then then places them back in the wrappers.
     
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  15. Harley, Apr 7, 2016

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    You haven't been in the Vegas Golden Nugget lately to see the chess game at play ?!! ... Black chips on the Don't ... Mixture of dice on every shift ... Not as easy as your talk

    Casinos are corporations ... Corporations are never happy if they are not increasing profit margins ... No way they are happy with built-in House Advantage
     
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  16. eagleeye2, Apr 7, 2016

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    lostinspace,

    If that were TRUE, why not put that DICE BALANCE CHECK UP-FRONT, by performing it in front of those playing on that table, prior to inserting the DICE into that game???

    Yes, IMHO, that would Place GREAKTOWN, Detroit as the #1 Casino to Play CRAPS at in the entire U.S.A.!

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  17. eagleeye2, Apr 7, 2016

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    Harley,

    The Vegas Golden Nugget used to be a 100% Straight & Great Casino to Gamble at!

    Now that Landry's Restaurants Chain has purchased it, I can't say, as things may have changed!

    I will evaluate their CRAPS Game, the next time I get there.

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  18. Titleistguy, Apr 7, 2016

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    I see them spinning then sometimes when I'm there...
     
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  19. eagleeye2, Apr 7, 2016

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    Titleistguy,

    In your DRAEMS, that could be possible, but not in reality!

    eagleeye2
     
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  20. TonyDvegasrules, Apr 7, 2016

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    I do think that you have to be aware at all times. I have been shorted on a few occasions and had to speak up to get the correct payoff
     
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