Do you suspect the casino cheating at the craps table?

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Hardeight, Jan 30, 2011.

  1. curiousone, Apr 3, 2011

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    Wow, what an asshole. Instead of calmly discussing this you want to say stupid nonsense. Organized crime in modern casinos? Organized crime running a Native American casino?

    What does Enron have to do with casino management?
     
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  2. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    Calmly discussing but you are calling people assholes?I didnt call you any names just stated my opinion.But you cant answer the question have you ever been to Sugarhouse or Parx to "consult"?If you havent dont say you know ANYTHING about what goes on there.
     
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  3. Harley, Apr 3, 2011

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    aww - there it goes .... typical response by someone who has no facts to support his rebuttal starts making personal attacks ... just sad really

    you ask - "so what does Enron have to do with casino management" .... both are owned by corporations - corporations have financial pressures to make more profits ("Greed is Legal") ..... but I guess you have never heard of corporate greed and corruption:

    if you are not willing to read the link I gave above in my 1st post, try this one to see the correlation between Enron and casino management:

    http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/forum31.php&sid=fcb9230871e82e5b09b04735f5f632bb

    or since you are casino consultant, you may want to read at least these 2 chapters in this book - Beat the Players - Casinos, Cops and the Game Inside the Game by Bob Nersesian:

    - Casinos Cheat With Impunity
    - A Judicial and Government Overlay - the "too cozy of a relationship"

    I'm just saying - it just might make you a better casino consultant ..... knowledge is empowering

    Good Luck on both sides of the craps table !!
     
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  4. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    You can add more weight to certain sides of the dice.You have to pick the right dice or you will seven out quicker.I can tell that the dice are weighted differently why is that?Its supposed to be a "random clean game" soallthe dice should weigh the same.Like Harley said how come there is no gadget to weigh the dice on the gaming area?
     
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  5. curiousone, Apr 3, 2011

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    Please leave me alone. I said you are the great know it all exert.

    I'm done talking to you.
     
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  6. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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  7. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    ohhhhhh you want to end the discussion but you want to name call people names too which is it?.You should apologize.I think you consult politicians because you just avoid all the questions.I hope you learned your lesson "Mr. I'll Just Call People Names Because I Disagree With Them""Please Leave Me Alone" LMAO "yES sir Mr.Foul Mouth
     
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  8. Harley, Apr 3, 2011

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    Amen Hardeight !!! .... I am making a craps video called "How the casinos took the Gold back from Golden Touch Craps and Frank Scoblete" .... the casinos were loosing to dice setters so they had to take countermeasures to protect their assets -- casinos and gaming boards see the idea of using unbalanced dice (that do rock like you describe) as a risk management decision

    Do you see any casino announcing what the payoff odds are in any literature or at the craps table ??!! .... In Las Vegas they can't or else they would be lying and it would be false advertisement ....

    all the mathematicians use a 1 in 36 probability to calculate odds and house edge -- It's true for craps in Colorado, but in Las Vegas they are wrong -- that's the difference between theory and reality.
     
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  9. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    Its amazing how this thread is like the Matrix movie.Some people see the real side even though its dark and sleezy and others see it as a world where everything is clean and fair.You either take the blue pill or the red one people?

    How come all the dice setters like Harley and Dice King agree with me?Because we set dice.All you others who disagree(its ok its a free forum) do you even roll the dice?You have one sided opinions because you dont live on the other side.
     
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  10. sancusa, Apr 3, 2011

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    True, you can make biased dice. But my point is when most shooters get the dice to shoot, before selecting 2 dice out of the 5 dice they get, they roll all the dice and select two and keep rolling them 2-3 times. If they are biased, it would be apparent to the players on the table as most pre-come out practice tosses would seven out?
     
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  11. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    I see what you mean but weighted dice are so that the certain number would come out the most lets say the six but it wont roll all the time.But notice if the shooter rolls numbers but the six is involved like 6 4,6 3 6 2 etc. you know the person has the 6 biased dice take notice.Now of course if he picks the die that is weighted one he will seven out in that combo.

    Notice how they rush you to pick dice?Its at the point now where I just pick up two to test weight and they assume that I want those too.I tell them to hold on I get to test all the dice but they dont want that.I got into an argument with the stickman and they called security(they just showed upbut said nothing to me)Stickman assumed that I wanted two dice that were first in my hand and I told him no.He starts giving me lip and I said "calm down I get MY selection of two dice not what you want me to pick up"Remeber if they rush you to chose they want you to lose.
     
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  12. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    Another point if you want to change dice why do you have to give them both back?They put them back in the mix and some people end up picking the same ones again.Why cant you just give one back and just exchange the other?

    I see some people when they select dice they cup them in there hand and drop them and the ones that dont equal seven you pick those two..thats a smart way.
     
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  13. Diceking1, Apr 3, 2011

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    Sometimes they just want to keep the game going and want you to roll fast. If I'm at a table alone when I seven out I watch the dice and sometimes get the same ones like scoblete says sometimes u will see fluctuations in probability, last weekend I saw a guy hit 5 sevens on the comeout and u would have thought the dice were loaded. However I think the magnents on the table theory is much more logical than loaded dice becuase they could make more money by rolling certain numbers at certain times. The problem with the magnet theory is u would have to have a huge amount of current to power the field and only the people at the very top of the casino would know about this or otherwise people would leek the information. Also the dice themselfs couldn't have magnents inside because there transparent. But I wouldn't trust anyone at the casino and I wouldn't put any thing past them because if they could get away with it then they would and by having cops and politicians in there pocket it would be easier yet. I had a dealer forget to pay me 5 times within an hour last week and there was only two other people on my side of the table.
     
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  14. $nakeEye$, Apr 3, 2011

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    Quite possibly the dealer's mind was altered / influenced by the magnets in the table !
     
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  15. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    The main part that need to be magnetized are the ends of the table.All you need a few scrambled thoughout the ends and the charge can spread to alter the dice.
     
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  16. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    I decided to do an experiment. Take a regular die and tape a dime to one side and toss them in a box and the numbers were spread out maybe one quarter of the rolls landed on the one(the side with the weighted dime) or the six its opposite.That would be considered a hard surface.

    Now do the same thing but on a softer surface (I did my mattress) and the SIX OR ONE ROLLED HALF THE TIME.tRY IT YOURSELF and see what happens.
     
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  17. $nakeEye$, Apr 4, 2011

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    Hardeight,

    Man, you can a drive a person to drink if they were not so inclined already.

    I watched " Good Morning, Viet Nam ! " a couple - few years ago.

    There was one scene that really got my attention - after Robin Williams is chastized by his Liuetenant ( superior officer ) over some bull shit regarding the type of music being played for / to the troops - Robin Williams remarks to his Lt. - " Sir, you are in dire need of a blowjob ".

    Now Hardeight, let's subsitute $nakeeyes for Robin Williams, and Hardeight for his Lieutenant - whereas $nakeeyes says to Hardeight - " Sir, you are in dire need of a blowjob !"

    Hardeight, kindly vacate the premise of magnets in the table for a multitude of rational reasons as magnets do not influence non-metallic objects, magnetic fields can not pierce 3/4" wood, etc, etc, etc.

    Follow Doctor $nakeeyes advice and seek the help that you are in dire need of !

    Hopefully, after your prescription is filled you will see the light !!

    Sincerely
     
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  18. curiousone, Apr 4, 2011

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    Snakeyes,

    You find this magnets under the table nonsense as ridiculous as I do?

    I did some consulting for a few casinos and worked in most of the dealer jobs. So, I have worked at the craps table. I found this "magnets under the table" nonsense to be just stupid.

    That Hardeight character jumped all over me for saying so, like he is some kind of gambling God.

    Give me a freaking break already, Hardeight.
     
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  19. Hardeight, Apr 4, 2011

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    Ok 'Mr.Please Leave Me Alone' IF YOU DONT AGREE ITS OK.BUT I HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN IGNORE IT.CuriousOne you are a fraud and never did any consulting for any casino.I know how consultants are they are always trying to prove a point and only thing you can say thatmy idea is stupid but you cant tell us where you have consulted can you?Frauds cant answer direct questions and you havent answered one have you?The only thing that you and SnakeEyes can do is call me a wackjob but all you do is add more on keeping this wackjobs thread on top so who really is stupid?If you ignore it then it will go away but since you two and others are learning from it you keep adding comments.IF YOU WANT A MAKE A VAILD POINT GO AHEAD BUT ALL YOU CAN DO IS SO THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER!Really make up your own thread if you can instead showing your jealousy toward another.
     
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    Can we all just chill out here a little bit please? I don't want to have to moderate anything :(
     
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