Do you suspect the casino cheating at the craps table?

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  1. tercol58, Mar 30, 2011

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    I do not get for and wide to casinos but where I go dealers seem to be rooting for the players and if there are bets out there for them even more .Sure they will say something if the dice go to high or some one is throwing so hard every time they fly off the table or bounce all the way back or even hit other folks I have seen that happen and if the dice fall short way to often bur hey all those thing could hurt their employment if they let them slide. Set me straight if I am wrong
     
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  2. tercol58, Mar 30, 2011

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    any thoughts on the cheating thing guys
     
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  3. Hardeight, Mar 30, 2011

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  4. Sancho Panza, Mar 30, 2011

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    What is really notable is that none of these is shooting table length into pyramids.
     
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  5. Hardeight, Mar 30, 2011

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    You didnt watch the second video he thre them across the floor..LOST THEM TWICE AND STILL ROLLED HIS NUMBERS.Whats the difference have you ever own a remote controlled car ?you could smash it into anything and the remote car still works just like if you would "SMASH" dice into a pyramid wall.Obstacles or not the control is intact.
     
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  6. Southern-Comfort, Mar 30, 2011

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    Exhibit 1 = heating the dice. Known since at least the 1940s. You can check for the embalance by holding the dice by the corners and twirling them around. Ever seen them do this in a casino to check them out during a roll? I do it in casinos occasionally on cold tables. If they've been altered they tend to not slow to a stop but suddenly just stop twirling.

    Exhibit 2 = drunk guy using a cheating technique in street craps. Its all in they way he puts the dice in his palm and drops them. No wall to hit and no felt to cause friction. I'm not sure if this will work with casino dice as they are bulkier in the hand than monopoly dice.

    The heated dice may or may not work with modern casino dice. Either way I would recommend not swapping out dice in a casino. They will not ask you to leave the casino. They'll probably keep you there until the police arrive.
     
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  7. Hardeight, Mar 30, 2011

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    Dont you think they can hire "consultants" to rig a remote system with todays technology?Everyone would expect the patrons to cheat but the casino could do it "under the radar"?The cheating patrons get the media attention while the casinos cant get caught because you cant bring in any gadgets to catch them.They can also make surveillance evidence "disappear"

    Next time you lay the 4 and 10 and both numbers "happen to come out" back to back think about my theory.
     
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  8. Hardeight, Mar 30, 2011

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  9. Harley, Apr 2, 2011

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    There are no magnets ..... However, at least in Las Vegas the relationship between the gaming board and the casinos is just
    as President Obama would say.

    I have met with the Nevada Gaming Board on this subject of unfair Biased dice for over 6 hours on several occasions - my conclusion is that they encourage the casinos to cheat (or increase the house edge any way possible) in order to protect the assets of Nevada -- and their paychecks .... typical case of the Fox guarding the hen house.

    If you wish to learn more, see http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/p/biased-dice.html
     
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  10. $nakeEye$, Apr 2, 2011

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    Yo, Harley -

    Welcome aboard, Buddy !!

    You gotta get your " moonlight rider " avatar on the board.

    Looks as if the JPE forum bit the dust or is at least winding down.

    How unfortunate !

    Regards,

    Ed
     
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  11. $nakeEye$, Apr 2, 2011

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    Aha, HardEight, now I see the light !!!!!

    Apparently you must have a metal plate in your head, are wearing a steel helmet, or are wearing too much jewelry; perhaps earings or necklaces - because obviously regarding your continuing rants regarding magnetic field influence - one can only surmise that according to your own statement above - your brain was altered when you entered that magnetic field surrounding the craps table.

    If that is the case, perhaps by inserting your anterior into your posterior could rectify the problem - but then again, by reading all your posts regarding this issue- you are already there !
     
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  12. $nakeEye$, Apr 3, 2011

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    Very, very interesting concept !!!

    I have gone from setting for the 7's on the come-out, to setting for the 11's and 3's and making Horn bets on the come-out - to setting X'd 6's on the come-out and betting $220 inside with a $35 field bet and to have all bets working on the come-out roll.

    An unexpected 7 on the come-out is a definite bankroll killer.

    In the above betting scenario - I only bet table min - only because as the shooter I am requied to make a PL/DP bet, otherwise my money s on the place and field bets, which are totally under my control .

    Exactly what would be your betting strategy playing this way - ? size DP bet,if any, Lay bet strategy, DC bet strategy, if any, Dice sets - probably related to the point # established - apparently / obviously you are setting the dice against the point # which was established - also what is your betting level - you need to lay 2-1, 7-5 or 6-5 - as according to the mathmeticians - you now have the edge !
     
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  13. curiousone, Apr 3, 2011

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    I do consulting work, which involves helping companies run their company more profitably. I have worked for a few casinos. I cross trained in most of the gaming departments because I was doing time studies on customers and their betting habits.

    From being on the other side of a craps table, I can say that this casino cheating that is being described here is a fantasy.

    The dice come from the manufacturer and there is a process that the gaming commission supervises for getting the dice to the craps table.

    This is nonsense.
     
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  14. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    A little late to join the conversation now you want to start trouble?Im not biting go start an argument with somebody who cares.Get a real hobby besides starting up ancient arguments again
     
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  15. Harley, Apr 3, 2011

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    Curiousone - how can you say it is non-sense if you have never balanced a live casino dice in a caliper ?? (we have the proof available for you to see)
    - how can you say it is non-sense if you have never seen the casino balance a dice properly in a caliper ?? (just casually asks the pit boss next time how many times he has ever seen a dice balancing caliper used)
    - how can you say it is non-sense unless you can provide me the statutes or regulations in Nevada that require the process you describe ?? (btw - I have read all the Nevada laws on craps and even have a letter from the Gaming Board that states there are no regulations or requirements of any kind on measuring dice --- Colorado is the only state I know that has strict specific laws on balancing dice .... and our Biased Dice research team helped write them)

    .... btw -- were you one of the consultants that worked for Enron or Worldcom that invested all their portfolios in their stock because you as an insider did not think they were cheating ..... a lot of smart inside consultants lost a lot to that corporate greed

    ... me thinks the white picket fence that you think exists on every corporate casino craps table is a fantasy
     
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  16. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    Ohhh you have done a FEW casinos?So you have done consulting in PA CASINOS?I am just accusing Parx and Sugarhouse.Apparently you need to to take the time to see thats who I was referring too.I dont accuse Atlantic City casinos of this.
     
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  17. Diceking1, Apr 3, 2011

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  18. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    How many of you have had bets "disappear"?Thats a form of cheating isnt it?

    When a table is cold and people are leaving they have to find a way to get people playing again they need to "control the dice".Have someone hit 3 points with "special help".

    Like I said when you are at PARX OR SUGARHOUSE and you start laying the 4 or 10 and you win 3 times.Thats all you will win because they dont want you to take their money like that and they get that percentage any way so who cares if you hit 3 and never win for the rest of the day.
     
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  19. Hardeight, Apr 3, 2011

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    Yeah he works a FEW casinos and now hes an "expert" of them all.Of course none of these casinos are runned by organized crime right curiousone?Organized crime would never cheat people out of their money right?

    Heres how it works they get legal dice that the gaming commission checks but the also get shady dice but not as much.After the dice are checked they mix in the shady dice afterwards.So who can tell the difference?
     
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  20. sancusa, Apr 3, 2011

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    Great
    But whenever I take the dice in my hand for shooting, I carefully see it every time and they are transparent, just like my other normal dices at home

    I am now doubting if casinos really cheat or have power/ability to do so???
     
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