That right, Dicenator, the one guy that goes on a lot of cruises on the different ships to play craps! Often after one of his many trips he does his trip reports on the different DI boards! He puts a lot of time and effort into his reports and now get this, what he does while playing craps! Think about what I just wrote and the man that is giving you insight into what he does. Did he do it for money when he gave you a look at what he does, hell no, did he do it for fame once again hell no if you ever met him and his lucky wife you would know what I'm writing about. He, like others that I know, have given a lot of their time to help others out in the craps playing world without any form of payment. I often hear that nobody would do something like that if they could beat the casinos they would never tell anybody about what they do! Well, he is a prime example of that not holding true! He wrote a small manual on the underhand shot and put it out there for others to read free of charge on a few of the DI boards. Now, I'm not going to put a link up to those boards because I want some of you to do the work for that free information! Yes, it's about time that when you are looking for free information that you put some of your own time and efforts into it! So this time around I gave you a name and what you should be looking for and that is it. Merry Christmas let's see where this thread goes to!