Dice Setting Made Easy...Easy With Some Pracrice

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  1. Liman

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    I took pictures of this game and posted it here somewhere.
    Im too lazy to look.

    I don't see much purpose for the hybrid version. There still has to be rotation of dealers, pit boss, and it basically just dropping the dice a couple of feet, from a Lucite platform. Its pick up and release, they do not let you move or set dice on the felt or the Lucite top panel.
    I don't see any di shooters going to this game anytime soon, nor would they want to.
    And I don't see any value of it over the fully automated bubble, EXCEPT, AND THIS MAY BE A BIG THING FOR SOME DICE PLAYERS, the dice are regulation casino dice.The dice outcomes are read from a camera, the dealer pushes the dice under the camera and they are read for the computer.
    while die hard bubble fans don't care either way, real dice or bubble dice, a lot of old timers and people who don't trust the large dice might play this version only because of the dice.

    one thing is for sure, I will not leave my terminal to shoot the dice, don't trust anyone, it only takes a few seconds to cash out your terminal bank, there are a lot of scamsters and criminals roaming around the casino just waiting for opportunity.(I did not post Harley bought a bus ticket for Maryland)(joke)

    I think its clear, most casinos have gone to fully automated bubbles, this hybrid version is a novelty, and if it hasn't caught on by other casinos, it may not. Hybrid card games is different, dealer always deals, you don't have to leave your terminal, and people trust a real dealer more than a robot dealing cards. don't know why, but the hybrid card games Ive played are usually crowded.(ofcourse, the 5 dollar betting is a huge draw)

    DI shooters will be the reason live craps ends, if it ever does.
    slowing down the game, not hitting back walls and causing friction at table with staff, Im hoping eventually casinos don't get fed up with it, besides not having to pay medical insurance and salaries to staff to man a table.
     
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  2. Liman

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    btw. everything I post about gaming, pictures, are here for the benefit of the other members.
    If I wanted to profit off of anything I post here, I would not post it here as I consider that cheesy, trolling for business on this site.
    anyone who trolls for business here or is affiliated with any for profit dice schools, instructors, cd, video, books, etc sales, should notify Jacob upfront and say, hey, let me send you in 100 bucks since Im advertising for free on this site.....(I know, its not my site, why should I care, that's Jacobs job, but I find its the posters affiliated with for profit schemes are usually the ones that make the most noise here and cause as much trouble as they can defending their position, a position only held by them because of the profit motive)

    asking a pit boss to let me shoot shots of the hybrid craps game as far as Im concerned, might be a huge benefit for many players, as they will see the setup, and decide if its for them or not. not make a trip or go out of their way on their next trip.

    any system of betting I use Ive made it quite clear and been very open about it. And I will share the info with any member of this board as long as they aren't a total asswipe.
    Am I the best craps player on earth, do I know all the secrets, that's all a joke. There are no best craps players or those who think they hold the key to the vault.
    it doesn't exist, they don't exist. ok, back to regular programming.

    and one more thing....for some of you, intentionally or not, I do not work for Wichita County power dept, my handle is Liman, as in Long Island Man, not lineman, like Glenn sang about.
     
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  3. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 15, 2017

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    I suggest that people also like to interface with a human rather than a machine. How does a player challenge a decision (e.g. failing to have a bet that won booked), and how fast does that challenge get resolved, when playing against a machine? In 48 years I can count the number of times I have called time out on one hand, but I was very serious on those rare occasions, and recall two of them where I got the call overruled. I would have been -- I can't believe I'm about to use this word -- EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEMLY displeased had I been forced to accept a call made by a machine without getting my "day in court".
     
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  4. Liman

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    I don't have an answer for that.......good luck to anyone that has a dispute with the bubble. 20 seconds later the dice are rolled again, one would have to call over an attendant(casino employee) and I really have no clue how they would resolve an issue.

    I can tell you this. Ive been playing the bubble for 4-5 years? Ive never seen an issue where the player was questioning something foul.
    I recall one time the dice got hung up sideways, and the machine rerolled and someone went ballistic as they tried to take their bet down when there was no call, and the computer doesn't allow it until a decision is reached. He demanded his bet back as the machine hit a 7.
    I doubt he would have made a peep if his number hit after that.
    Ive seen bubbles fail, and had to wait 45 minutes for it to be reset, but there is little one can do, you cant cash out when the bubble is down.
    Im figuring it will be a long tedious battle to question an error on a computer in the casino, and Im sure there is a line in some obscure law governing it on the books that says player assumes all risk including computer malfunction. If the casino loses, they can sue the player, if the player questions losses, he too can sue, good luck with that....

    hybrid games don't eliminate the computer, it only gives regulation dice outcomes. if the computer terminal messes up, they wont stop the game for you, they will get a technician to correct the problem. that much Id bet on. Terminals are no different than any other video slot, it goes down, wait for help.
     
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  5. Liman

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    an its funny you mention this, I see at least 3-5 disputes a day whenever I play live tables, people arguing over payouts with dealers, either mistaken or correct.
     
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  6. gargoil, Nov 15, 2017

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    As you know I've never played bubble craps and not because I don't enjoy it or there is something wrong with it. I've just never walked up to one and played. However, this is what I know about the system. Every action taken by the user is recorded separately in cache memory on the machine and on hard disk remotely. When an electronic play is in question (not a dice action), an attendant is called and they can go into the system in admin mode and view each bet made, each roll and payout in step by step from history. If the cache is corrupt on the machine then they can recall it from the hard disk. Either way, they can see every action the user has taken and the results from the action. When the user cashes out the money, cache is permanently uploaded to disk and memory is released for the next guest.

    So, any disputes can be resolved by simply going into the history and view the actions. What I don't know is if play resumes while the attendant is reviewing history or all play is stopped.
     
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  7. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 15, 2017

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    "Machine malfunction voids play", or words to that effect, are standard with slot machines, so I would be amazed if the rules governing any game that in any way involves a computer/machine did not have similar wording somewhere.
     
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  8. Settingcanthurt, Nov 15, 2017

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    LMFAO

    May be synonymous???
     
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  9. Settingcanthurt, Nov 15, 2017

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    And looking at the legs :cool:
     
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    Last time on the Azure Bubble My points were being made, my bets were down and i was not getting the payouts. Did not notice till I cashed out. Played no more than 15 minutes. cashed out because I figured I was ahead good. Not being familiar enough with the layout to track all throws I was surprised when my payout was exactly what I placed in the machine. I had ZERO recourse as I was unsure what happened. Going back over it all in my head later I know I was profitable.
     
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  11. TDVegas, Nov 15, 2017

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    I've seen maybe 10 disputes since I've been playing. They call over an attendant and then next thing you know 3 other employees are milling about, pointing at the screen listening to his argument.

    I'm not sure how they were resolved...but I don't recall ever seeing a smile on the player after they left.
     
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  12. rongarm10, Nov 15, 2017

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    I hope not TD. Even if I don't play craps, I still like watching some of the folks that play craps on a real table. But u just mite b correct that "the writing is at least appearing on the wall". Just sayin.
     
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  13. von duck, Nov 16, 2017

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    That's weird, I'd say there are more craps tables than ever. Just that you don't have to go to NV. or A.C., to play anymore, there are dozens of other places. Perhaps more people taking good advice LTWOQ, and such. :).
     
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  14. eagleeye2, Dec 1, 2017

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    Pressit,

    As to any Hard Way Set, you are correct, but......

    Dependent upon the consistency of the throw (Necessary to Win), one would have Numbers Thrown that would have only a random re-occurrence; as All Hard way Sets you would make would be RANDOM!

    Chew on that for a bit...

    eagleeye2
     
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  15. James Hall, Dec 1, 2017

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    DeMango has said many times that if you can win the last thing you should do is share it
    he says a person who can win should keep there mouth shut
    and just go do , he is afraid the casinos will find out some people can win
     
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