Dice Harbored Traits

Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by Linaway, Feb 24, 2016.

  1. Linaway, Feb 24, 2016

    Linaway

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    Dice influence actually exists. It's hidden in plain sight. Who of the board piranha will feed on this without a solid foundation of dice property knowledge? Opinionated advocates holds no significance without this knowledge.

    Remember "big brother is watching"! Maintain any remarks with care. Some things must be kept private.
     
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  2. wonko33, Feb 24, 2016

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    Many people here believe in dice influence:

    - if you say seven a seven comes
    - If you buy in at the wrong time a seven comes
    - if the dice touches the hand of someone making a late bet... you guessed it , 7
    - if someone plays the dont's, THE KISS OF DEATH!
    etc

    I don't understand why people bother practicing their throws for hours, just take a bunch of drunk loud people to the table (say your in-laws, new thxgiving tradition yeah!) , say seven all the time, leave your hands in the tub, buy in when the dice are out, aim for the people's chips on the table, bet the don't and kill the casino
     
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  3. tabletop123, Feb 24, 2016

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    Now, THAT'S funny. Lol.
     
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  4. Linaway, Feb 24, 2016

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    wonko33,

    You offered illustrations, speculations. Nothing shown to substantiate knowledge of dice properties. Just innuendo.

    TT123 knows them very well!!! He understands that which I speak of. Do you? But thanks for the reply.
     
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  5. TDVegas, Feb 24, 2016

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    Yes, we all exert influence over the dice when we toss. Some bounce once, twice, some are lobbed, some are straight...etc. etc.

    That's where influence ends. No one is influencing outcome in the sense they are able to change random outcomes and in fact roll specific numbers or avoid specific numbers.

    If, if, if thru some skill or magic or voodoo...they can. They aren't here discussing it.
     
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    LOL
     
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  7. Onautopilot, Feb 24, 2016

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    Dice control is strictly a matter of physics, nothing else! Physics allows for it, but then physics allows for many things that man has not been able to master yet.

    But "proving" some degree of dice control is a relatively simple thing! Of course time and physical conditions are required elements of any attempt at that proof.

    And to make it even more interesting, that "proof" must be replicable.

    There is an element of probability mathematics that allows one to establish a "level of confidence" that a bias has been introduced into random chance. It deals with deviation, and can establish to a percentage, the existence of the bias.

    This is the only way to prove, to some confidence level, that dice control is taking place, all other so called proofs are anecdotal, hearsay, and personal opinion.

    Of course no one is going to "prove" dice control is a fact....it has to be in a casino environment, and the number of trials to reach the mathematical confidence level is beyond most players endurance, given the minimal influence allowed for by physical conditions, and casino rules.

    My only opinion on dice control is, if you are convinced you can gain an advantage with your claimed skill, just go do it, and good luck to you! Just do not be surprised if you bring back anecdotal accounts of your success, and some here might question those accounts.
     
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  8. Linaway, Feb 24, 2016

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    response found in quote box....
     
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    I guess I am a bit lost as to what you mean by dice FACTS? And influence or control, I consider interchangeable terms.
     
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  10. TDVegas, Feb 24, 2016

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    "The exception being is the multiple usage of your term "dice control"! IMO, can't happen. Influence by all means."
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    We've been thru this before. Dice control, dice influence, dice manipulation, dice impact---all these terms become, as OAP says, interchangeable. Once again people are trying to split hairs and use different terms within the same meaning or definition.

    In the DI world, "dice control" became too much of a hardline statement (unbelievable)...so they moved to "dice influence". It sounded better.

    The advertising world uses the same MO.
    fluffy instead of soft
    hearty instead of filling
     
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  11. driglaz, Feb 24, 2016

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    People really do not understand how much time it takes to acquire the skills, the dice sets, the betting strategies, and the discipline to gain an advantage in craps.

    It takes years not months. Please don't overlook the obvious and deny what some accomplish.
     
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  12. Pressit, Feb 24, 2016

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    Linawy

    Welcome back, You been away much to long, hope you brought your alligator bite-butt proof suit with you. The non-believers will never accept your work on dice properties, never try to convince them of something they firmly believe doesn't exists, after all they have been playing Craps for many many years, there is nothing new to learn.
     
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  13. Linaway, Feb 24, 2016

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    Hi Pressit,

    Ever once in awhile I drift back to bait the piranha to see if they still bite. I wasn't disappointed. Nothing new to learn? I have disks loaded with comprehensive information most will never know. They have been mesmerized by the self made guru's and Pied Pipers.

    You know better. I feel very pleased that my material opened your eyes.
     
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  14. Onautopilot, Feb 24, 2016

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    So, how are you fairing with all this knowledge that the rest of us don't have? Are you able to gain an advantage over the house edge with the information you posses? Are you playing craps for a living? Are you net positive since you started employing this information? Do you give it away free, or do you charge for it?
     
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  15. Pressit, Feb 24, 2016

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    Damn OPA, just send Linaway's $200 and he'll more than happy to send you the info. It is more fun and rewarding than evicting a non-paying renter.
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  16. Onautopilot, Feb 24, 2016

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    All I was looking for was some answers. I have no idea what his offer is, or if there is any offer.

    He did indicate that most of the rest of the craps world is playing the game "uninformed" if they do not posses the knowledge he has. Maybe that includes me, but I will never know if someone doesn't enlighten me as to my ignorance.

    I think I have a pretty good handle on the game, including probabilities, statistics, and various bet values. I do admit that I am lacking in precognitive skills, paranormal intuition, voodoo, and dice control though. Wish I had a few of those skills, but I don't.

    We can all learn something new....I'm open minded. So what is it I am lacking in, that Linaway can provide me?
     
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  17. TDVegas, Feb 24, 2016

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    "People really do not understand"....we peons of craps do not understand? Some here with decades on both sides of the rail as player and dealer. Some here with decades of casino experience who have witnessed every degenerate claim that they have a system or a skill to beat the game. They do not understand? LOL.

    "Don't overlook the obvious and deny what some accomplish"..

    What exactly are we overlooking?
    Verifiable evidence?....no
    Casino acknowledgement similar to card counting?....no
    Profit/loss statement backups?.....no
    Verifiable craps winnings ala poker winnings?....no
    Verifiable evidence of players being banned for advantage play?...no

    What we generally have is a bunch of people posting anecdotal claims, don't play for a living, don't live near Vegas, play infrequently and somehow we are overlooking the obvious?

    I think the "obvious" is that they are not craps advantage players. At least the evidence points that way.
     
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  18. Pressit, Feb 24, 2016

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    Actually Linaway will accept your call. Trust me it is best you call him. I was a non-believer before and even when I made the purchase, when I received I was sure I made a mistake. BUT, I started reading his well laid out manual, and read it several times before the lights started to flicker on. I can't tell you much more than that, except it is different, it does work, it is not a toss, you being a math guy I think would find it enjoyable, plus Linaway is accessible. The only downside, mine not yours, it requires attention to detail. The manuel is roughly 150 pages, of material I'm convinced you never saw or thought of before. There are other members here who have also purchased his work. But if you are interested, curious, give him a call.
     
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  19. TDVegas, Feb 24, 2016

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    No one sells the keys to the vault.
     
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  20. Onautopilot, Feb 24, 2016

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    Without some substantial concepts, that show me that I am in fact ignorant as to what is offered, and that the information would be financially advantageous to me, I am not a customer.

    Not meaning to belittle the offer, nor to judge other's decisions to partake of this information. I just need more than "It does work.".
     
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