Dice control courses

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  1. Cham215, Oct 22, 2015

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    Has anyone taken any courses? I sometimes wonder should I learn and have a mentor from someone who's accomplished in DI. I'm tired of losing money then making it.
    Coaches: GTC, DiceCoach or KogaNinja
     
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  2. KokomoJoe4, Oct 22, 2015

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    Check your account balance at the bank, hire them all, then report back to us. If you prefer, hire only one of them.

    or

    Consider the roll of the dice a random activity, and devise a strong method of play, use it without much alteration during play, and see how things turn out.

    Which alternative leaves you with more money? That's the important question.
     
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  3. betwthelines, Oct 22, 2015

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    an important question with no definitive answer without scientific controls

    tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
    -g. geist: and he goes on to say "such will not be forthcoming and blah, blah, blah"
    --tom p: oh, stfu !
     
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  4. DeMango, Oct 23, 2015

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    The question always will be, can you throw a pair of dice, where one die mimics the action of the other. You will find that those poo pooers of the skill, have no skill themselves. Sucks to be them. But I would think that Heavy or Dice Coach would be of help, IF, IF, IF you have the skill. Otherwise money down the drain.
     
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  5. $nakeEye$, Oct 23, 2015

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    DiceCoach - aka Beau Parker

    Then Howard Rock'n'Roller -

    MY OPINION !

    Beau is always in LV - whereas Howard fluctuates between FL and LV !

    $...eE..$
     
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  6. DeMango, Oct 23, 2015

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    First Harley, now Snakeeyes! Welcome back sir!
     
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  7. six shooter, Oct 23, 2015

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    Heavy and Howard are worth the investment.
     
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  8. KokomoJoe4, Oct 23, 2015

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    SS,

    Do they advertise on your board or you on theirs?
     
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  9. tabletop123, Oct 23, 2015

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    Tossing the Dice wherein one dice is rotating, sailing, floating, etc with the other die means absolutely, NOTHING!!!!! All it proves is that you've developed the skill to toss two dice in complete Unison. SAVE YOUR MONEY, & learn how to bet the Game, & Read the Table, & Manage your Money!!! I've just encountered MANY sessions Wherein I tossed Magnificently, only to end up with "Short" Hands. I also had a 52 roll hand that I made a Nice Fortune on.

    Dice Influencing is a Crock of shit, & if you think that you're gonna beat the Game with Stellar Shooting......... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!!!! The reality is that the "Prettier", & more "Contained" your tosses become, The MORE that Randomness "Kicks In". Go ahead & waste your money on the Classes, & the Refresher courses. What you'll come away with is a Pretty looking toss that is Totally Random.

    The only thing that I've found from these last twelve Casino visits is: Dice Influencing will destroy your Bank roll if you are NOT careful with the way that you bet the Game. Think your Toss warrants a "Inside" Bet, "All Across Bet", or any other Multiple Bet WITHOUT getting a "Feel" of the Table? GOOD LUCK with THAT!!!! My most recent trips have taught me to STOP practicing Tossing the Dice. It's simply a Complete waste of time. I still toss with Mechanical Precision, but Practicing the toss at home is a Futile attempt.

    Fortunately, I've practiced so much that my Toss will never Waver. Don't have to "Fine Tune" it, Practice, or any thing else. After almost seven years, it is PERMANENTLY ingrained. I'm FINALLY convinced that the time spent Practicing, Versus receiving Favorable Casino Results, JUST AINT WORTH THE BOTHER!!! I've COMPLETELY "Shelved" my Dice, Covered my 14 Footer, & I now show up at the Casino with the SAME Toss/s that I've practiced for MANY years, but with the Expectation that My "Rehearsed" Toss/s mean absolutely "Jack Shit", once I belly up to the Tables. Play Smart, Limit your Bets, & know when things aren't going your way. For the Guys/Gals that THINK Glued together Tosses give you an edge........... Try playing "Live" sessions a little more frequently, & see if your opinion stays the same!!!
     
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    tt, youre just having a bad run.
    give it another 5, 7, 10 years of practice and classes, youll see, the instructors will get you fine tuned.
     
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  11. Onautopilot, Oct 23, 2015

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    If in fact, Dice control is a skill that is achievable, and you decide you would like to pursue that avenue, I have some advice for you. This advice is based on my own research, and experimentation with attempting to influence the outcome of dice throws.

    First, realize, and accept that you are going to have to devote many, many hours in practice. Those hours are not just limited to throwing the dice in some way, designed to cause some influence, but also the time you will, or should spend in tracking those throws, to establish what influence might be taking place, and to what degree....hint, this could take a very, very long time. You would be trying to establish a mathematical confidence level that you could trust.

    Second, if you decide that you can commit to number one above, then start your research, read everything available on DC/DI that you can fathom......don't necessarily believe everything you read or hear about the "skill", in fact, leave belief out of the equation until you make your own assessment!

    Third, or maybe Second, depending on your own evaluation......decide if you are coordinated enough to master the skill (If in fact, it can be mastered). If you can not hit the bulls eye on a dart board after some hours practice, or toss cards into a hat from at least 5 feet. or touch you fingers with your thumb in rapid succession, while counting backwards from a hundred, then you might not want to invest the necessary time in trying to master this skill (If the skill can be mastered in the first place).

    There is a fourth and fifth, but you will not need to address those until you get through the first three.

    Note: Some "schools", "instructors", :advisors", proclaim that only a very select few ever accomplish any influence over the dice throws....I have no idea where they get their statistics from, oh well, I probably do, most all statistics are made up on the spot!

    Disclaimer: This is from a craps shooter that is very well coordinated, understands basic physics, and has a fair understanding of the game of craps, and the position the casinos take on "advantage players".....who, after many hours of research, practice, and evaluation, decided that there was no way that I was going to devote the time necessary to try and establish any confidence level of a possible influence.

    But, I believe what I have advised here, would be well worth considering! Good luck, I look forward to reading about your experiences....in a few years. :)
     
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  12. Onautopilot, Oct 23, 2015

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    Hi TT, where ya been hiding?
     
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  13. basicstrategy777, Oct 23, 2015

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    It's pretty obvious to me......the more you practice the better you get. That's the way things work.

    777
     
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  14. tabletop123, Oct 23, 2015

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    Been camping out in the casinos, onautopilot! It's been a blast over my last twelve visits. Caught the flu after my last visit. Certainly not trying to discourage any one from pursuing dice influencing. Just reporting the facts as they unfold. My dice sure do look pretty in the air. In fact they looked so pretty that I had three "suits" watching me toss the dice. Fortunately, as soon as the dice hit the table, They quickly walked away! Lol.
     
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  15. tabletop123, Oct 23, 2015

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    Lol, that's very funny liman! I never have, & never Will spend a dime taking a dice control class. Incidentally, I'm not having a bad run. Actually, it's been pretty decent. Just stating the fact that dice influencing is highly overrated! Of course this is only the advice of a guy that has been practicing on a 14 foot home table for a little under seven years, & gets to the casinos, roughly 50 times a year! Of course there are many more experienced than myself! So, what the hell do I know!
     
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  16. Pressit, Oct 23, 2015

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    There is only one that is worthwhile taking, Little Joe. Easy to learn and follow, even for a newbie. Small classes, individual instructions.
    www.littlejoecraps.com
     
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  17. Onautopilot, Oct 23, 2015

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    "Getting better" is relative.....I doubt I could get better at outrunning a cheetah, no matter how much I practiced. That old adage, "practice makes perfect" is BS! :)
     
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  18. tabletop123, Oct 23, 2015

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    I agree, onautopilot! It all depends on the task at hand. The degree of difficulty. Personally, I find it extremely easy (because of so many hours of practice) to execute controlled tosses. I can execute time after time! It's just the consistently favorable results that seems to elude all that try!
     
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  19. tabletop123, Oct 23, 2015

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    Hilarious, onautopilot! Don't think I should practice out running a cheetah either. I guess it's hard to make people understand. Been influencing the dice for many years, & I always get the "biscuit". Just can't seem to get any "gravy" on the biscuit. Lol
     
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  20. TDVegas, Oct 23, 2015

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    The only way these "people" are accomplished at DI is because they say so. There is no record of success. You can't see their profit/loss statement. They cannot demonstrate that they themselves can do it. Their is no tour ala poker or golf or tennis where you can see the record. These people are simply proclaiming they are good at it....with nothing else to back it up.

    I've offered the monkey challenge to any DI that wants to take it. Howard RR was silent. A monkey toss vs. any "accomplished" DI toss. None will take the wager.

    If ANY of them were as good as they say....they would be teaching nothing. They would just do it themselves.
     
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