Dice classes Return On Investment

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  1. gargoil, Dec 29, 2016

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    Edward people don't get kicked out because they don't agree with him. They get kicked out because they cause shit and unlike the moderator here Heavy will not tolerate it. He pays for the software and the hardware. He makes the rules. It's his business. Right or wrong.

    I dont agree with Irish on several issues. I don't agree with Heavy on a lot of things. I still have access and can post.
     
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  2. Edward-ky, Dec 29, 2016

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    Hey has anyone ever been to on of heavy classes and went and watched him play in a casino on a craps table. Just curious here been so much heavy talk lately.
     
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  3. DeMango, Dec 29, 2016

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    Dave wants things handed to him, let others do the work. Doesn't get his way, takes his bat and ball and 'leaves" Heavy, and goes home (here). Pitiful.
     
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  4. tabletop123, Dec 29, 2016

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    You won't be witnessing anything special when watching a Mechanical Tosser, with the exception of MAYBE witnessing tosses in Tandem!

    Looks good when performed correctly, but the END RESULTS won't be moving any mountains! Over many rolls, THAT GUY/S with the pretty toss will be VERY close to random.......Maybe 6.2 SRR or so!

    The beauty of it is that it only takes a umpth of influence to tilt the scale in favor of the skilled shooter.......Assuming he/she is not hopping numbers, & Only betting the lowest House Edge bets!

    Sure, we all TRY to hit, & run, but the Math of the game is a damning reality, & if a Di thinks he's gonna stand AT a table, Toss hundreds of tosses WITHOUT a interim.........."Nut Clipping"!

    The longer that you toss, the worse it's gonna get, & I wouldnt give a shit how GLUED together your tosses remain! Of course the smart Di's realize this!
     
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  5. HornHiYo, Dec 29, 2016

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    Well OK, but the guy has been in a little hot oil lately so couldn't you give him a free short ride and maybe let him toot the horn?

    By the way, if the dice leave the hand parallel to the table top with both dice on 1-6 horizontal axles or both on 3-4 axles or both on 2-5 axles, or one on a 1-6 and the other on a 3-4 axle, or one on a1-6 axle and the other on a 2-5 axle, or with all axles diagonal to the table top (off-axis) do not they all get knocked off pre-set arrangement upon impact with table top or back wall?

    You know that on-axis shooting lessons are income for Heavy, Howard Rock N Roller, Dice Coach, Dominator and maybe some others. The Mad Professor teaches the same stuff through his book and claims he donates his income, but they all teach the same old on-axis stuff.

    So what do you call it when you go out of your way to Piss in their cereal by discrediting their on-axis theory and after glow fee, and then recommend your buddies off-axis theory instead?
     
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  6. superrick, Dec 29, 2016

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    Well, that's not true, I've said many times to take Heavy's class if that is what turns you on and have put links up when he was having classes!

    Now, for the real Bashing if you call putting up slow-motion videos of what happens when the dice hits the tables bashing I don't know what to tell you. If you say telling everybody that someone is writing nothing but fiction I don't know what to tell you!

    Edward-ky, there are no slow-motion videos out there that show that anybody can control the dice and there never will be. If you go out and look at any videos the on-axis guys put out there that have a school you will never see what just happened when the dice hit the tables!

    http://www.axispowercraps.com/craps...1&sid=050df24e9b5ee24322021aa7a058d1c3#p65151
     
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  7. TDVegas, Dec 29, 2016

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    The point likely being that neither side has any real evidence that "their" method works better than the other....on or off axis. This is all he said, she said stuff. So what if the dice don't stay on axis? The bottom line is result! The off axis people have no claim or evidence their method is better.
    Yeah, they randomize when they hit. How does that jibe with your skilled shooter mentality? Who cares how you "shoot the dice"....if they randomize on bouncing (your claim), your "shooting" is meaningless.

    Plus, how on earth does "practice makes you better"...if the dice randomize on bounce (your words)?

    Who cares how much one practices his craft if the dice randomize. In my world randomize means you get random results. Meaning no one knows what's going to roll. What does "dice randomize" mean in your world?
     
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  8. Edward-ky, Dec 29, 2016

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    Nothing in this thread I mentioned about slow motion videos of a dice toss. So not sure why you mentioned me with that response.
     
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  9. superrick, Dec 29, 2016

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    Edward, I used your name because you asked if anyone saw them shooting which we have but you could watch yourself if you looked for those videos!
     
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  10. Edward-ky, Dec 29, 2016

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    I was just curious if someone went to a class then after to a live session with them how did it go. Be pretty embarrassing to charge someone to play at a table and just suck basically.
     
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  11. tabletop123, Dec 29, 2016

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    Seriously? You don't think there were MANY times wherein the Instructors went to the table, & tossed like PURE SHIT?

    It happens to the best of us! Consistency evades all ( At least results wise) that try!

    That is why I never understood ANYONE charging someone for the Priviledge of playing at the same tables as them! Not just Heavy, Dice Coach, Howard, or anybody!

    The Crap Tables are like a prize in a Cracker Jack Box! You never know , you could get the booby prize! The only thing that remains constant Is your good toss mechanics( and even your toss won't hold up over long sessions)!

    In my opinion, Heavy gave a painstakingly weak explanation as to why he charges a After Glow fee.......To weed out the "Looky Lou's? Really?

    Once Again, that is just MY opinion, so DAVE let's NOT turn this thread into a "I hate Axis Power Craps" thread!

    Contrary to popular belief, I did learn a few things as a forum member of Axis Power Craps.

    I wish Heavy good fortune, Success, & the much needed insight to rid himself of Old Shitter! "Dead weight" usually results in a empty plate!
     
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  12. TDVegas, Dec 29, 2016

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    And why I find it strange that some here who claim to be "good shooters" or skilled dice influencers think they can **easily** go and outshoot some lucky random klutz at 8pm...on a Saturday night....in February.
    Oh yeah....and with eyes shut.:rolleyes:......LOL.

    TT....you and I both know that anyone can outshoot anyone else at any time, anywhere. Pat DeMauro comes to mind. Not sure what Superrick thinks of your "you never know" or "could get the booby prize" comment.

    So confident they can outshoot a random player....but zero confidence to step up and take a skill test. I understand you are willing to take the challenge, TT. Kudos for stepping up. Some here are not all talk.
     
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  13. Edward-ky, Dec 29, 2016

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    If you are going to say this is a skill. Then once someone masters the skill, even on a bad day would still be better then a amateur with no skill. Seeing as people like to refer to golf. Tiger teaches you golf, you go play a round after. He is kicking your ass no matter how he is hitting the ball. Sorry if it is skill and you are teaching it then you have no excuses.
     
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  14. gargoil, Dec 29, 2016

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    The more you people post on his stupid threads the more he will create. Notice he is not responding or posting anything.

    He is eating popcorn kicking back laughing at all of you. That's why he is out here creating stupid threads.
     
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  15. tabletop123, Dec 29, 2016

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    Well, I think any good tosser will toss the dice more accurately & more in tandem than a Average tosser! Results? I am still on the fence on THAT!

    I will say this......I will invite ANYONE to a $$$$ showdown competing on MY table! I believe that it would be VERY hard to beat a good Shooter if you were competing on a Neutral Bounce table!

    With the current conditions that we play under in the Casinos ( closed cell foam, Micro Fiber, etc) I think it's a Coin toss as to who would win, Randy versus Dice Influencer!

    If anyone thinks they are gonna come into MY house, & play on MY table, & win.........NOT ON MY WATCH! Ain't happening, & you can label me as Delusional, dreamer, or full of shit!

    The advantage that ANY good Shooter will get WILL be on a surface wherein there is little to no bounce!

    When Grafstein said: "Give me just one bounce", he did NOT factor in "Dead" Tables! If he was alive & ever came snooping around in MY neck of the woods......He'd get his nuts Clipped, & THAT'S A FACT, JACK!

    Now, in the Casinos.......I WILL concede..........A coin flip!
     
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  16. Dave G Ct, Dec 29, 2016

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    Question- If you were given a free invite to any dice class would you go?
    For me- No not even if you paid me.Why? I do not need it - period- a waste of time.Rather read a book.
     
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  17. $nakeEye$, Dec 30, 2016

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    Dave,

    Unlike YOU - MOST of US - are open minded and as a direct result of that frame of mind -

    We are NOT dismissive of ANY and ALL input we can garner regards the subject that we wish to better ourselves at -

    Also, unlike YOU - we are most capable of separating the wheat from the chaff - the good from the bad -

    However, in order to be able to do that - one must afford / avail themselves of alternate methods of achieving their desired results -

    You deem yourself as being " Better than All " - and as a result of your tunnel vision YOU are restricting YOUR further development in whatever it is you that you desire to better yourself at -

    Go into your corner and read your comic book -

    The rest of us will seek ALL the information which is available to us, and make our own adult decisions as to which path we elect to pursue !

    You are only cheating yourself - in the long and short term - with your infantile attitude and narrow mindedness !

    However, I am MOST certain that THIS will fall upon YOUR deaf ears and you will continue in your child-like manner !

    Good Luck to you !

    $...eE..$
     
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  18. DeMango, Dec 30, 2016

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    I remember the last soiree in Biloxi. Saw Heavy and Howard from a distance. I do not need to be associated with a dice school so I kept my distance. That session did not work well according to a go between, shit happens. Maybe TomP can make a discreet observation of the tables when the next event happens in March?
     
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  19. DeMango, Dec 30, 2016

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    If you were good enough, you would not waste your time in CT with only two casinos, making $5 a session, or is it $70?
     
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  20. Dave G Ct, Dec 30, 2016

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    Happy New Year!
    When I have ever compared myself with others? Just happy with my toss and it does not need any improvement- just stay consistent!
     
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