DI training aids

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  1. DeMango, Feb 25, 2021

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    Your toss would be variable and unpredicted. The dice obey the laws of physics. You obviously don't understand this.

    A DI attempts to maintain a consistent throw to a consistent spot using a consistent grip. Usually attempting to keep one die glued to the other.

    Then the computer work begins. Unless you are Dave and you don't need no stinkin computer.
     
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  2. KokomoJoe4, Feb 25, 2021

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    This has never been disputed. What is being argued is whether or not dice outcomes can be "managed", or if they are completely random.

    IMO, "attempts" is a good word to use for this endeavor.

    Using a method different than yours, there is no need for the computer. Analysis can be done by reading the outcome accurately, and making or not making set change based on what you see. Wouldn't you agree that, IF this method of analysis is accurate, it would be better than doing your homework long after the fact?
     
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  3. DeMango, Feb 25, 2021

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    Of course I don't agree, your method will not give the accurate predictions that BoneTracker does. BT will give, if you let it, 976 different predictions of the probabilities of 36 results, assuming again the above physical throwing properties.
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Feb 27, 2021

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    Dice speak lets the user identify immediately and EXACTLY what happens with every dice outcome, as it happens. You say it does not give accurate predictions? You are correct. No prediction is involved. When you look at four dice faces, you immediately know exactly what happened. Predictions are not necessary.

    Not give the accurate predictions that bonetracker does? You are correct that bonetracker is predicting. Its "Roll Result Table" lists only two dice faces for the user to indicate the result obtained out of his 3/6:3/2 (2/5:1/6 axial array) starting set.

    Four identified dice faces specifically defines what you are starting with, so YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY RESULTS USING FOUR DICE FACES to know whether or not your result is on or off axis. By definition, on/off axis is DEFINED in the comparison of starting and ending axial arrays, which require knowledge of four dice faces. BT does NOT use the four faces at outcome which are needed to identify whether a shot is on or off axis.

    Since it uses only top faces "the table of 36" to enter outcome results, bonetrackers designers are full of shit. BT can "predict" that the entered result will show one of six possibilities: both dice on axis, PFH, single pitch hit, double pitch hit, one die off axis, both dice off axis. These predictions can be gotten an hour or so after you have left the casino, and they will not even be an accurate account of what has happened, because without identifying axial array, you do not know what happened.
     
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  5. DeMango, Feb 27, 2021

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    Hoo boy what a load of poop. As always what shows up on top is what matters. Something never understood in Kansas it seems. But never fear, the professors are working on improvements, should be ready for you to test drive this year. By the way if you watch slo mo videos of dice in action, your ending results will be like ours as they tumble from one axis to another. Not going to waste more time on this, results matter and can be measured, computers don't lie and chi square tells the truth.
     
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  6. von duck, Feb 28, 2021

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    Show us one of your chi square calculations, and explain how and what it tells us. :)
     
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  7. Dave G Ct, Feb 28, 2021

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    Koko

    As for Dice Speak are you comparing results of DI players or as I suspect random tosses ? If random then DS gives random results.
     
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  8. DeMango, Feb 28, 2021

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    Chi Square is a program built into BoneTracker. It measures results, given a large enough set of rolls. The value is between 0 and 1, with 1 being totally random. Bonetracker has always been free and found on Heavy's site which is also free.
     
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  9. twodicebilly, Feb 28, 2021

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    your amusing, but not much more than that....If Linaway uses all that a pair of dice can do to
    classify the results, to understand the relationship between starting set and the finish, seems to me
    there is nothing wrong with that.

    What do you do....you take your results, and depending on how many you have you can determine
    A T distribution or chi-square distribution. What your measuring with a varying degree of accuracy
    depending on which you use,is the difference between the results you are getting, from the expected
    results. The larger the set of the data, the more reliable the determination of random as compared
    not random.

    the problem results WHEN you take those results to a table with a different set of playing conditions, different
    dice, different room temperature, slightly different table position, your actual results are going to vary..

    The truth of the matter is everything matters. I can tell with 100% certainty, that results vary depending on
    the type of table you play on.

    NO one is dumb to believe that under difference conditions every result will always be the same.

    Demango now back up a second and get back to the information of linaway....it surely is known that results
    fall into two groups, and it is known accurately what per centage of the time the results of dice outcomes fall
    into those group randomly. 3v, 2v, x6 and safer ending sets and v6, h6 hw and all ending with a 50% more chance
    of a 7.....Demango those are facts that never change, I don'd need a computer to see which tables my shot
    works better on and i dont need a computer to look at my results quickly to see if there is the same seven in
    the x axis. If i see 6/1 1/6 or 3/4 3/4 or 52/ 25 i am where i dont want to be... those are facts that never
    change.

    So you want to think about that when your flaunting what you seem to think is a perfect system while attacking
    information that is absolute.

    TDB
     
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  10. Linaway, Feb 28, 2021

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  11. Linaway, Feb 28, 2021

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    Dave, Dave, Dave, why do you speak of things you do not understand.
    For you to bad mouth Dice Speak is the same as you telling the mute or even those using sign language they are out of line.

    Get a life. If your going to play craps, you need to learn something about dice. Currently you have no idea how ignorant you are about them.
     
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  12. Linaway, Feb 28, 2021

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    Demango did you take your training from Dave. You speak the same language he does. INCOHERENT!

    You just like Dave should not be damning anything you're ignorant about. Koko can read the dice anywhere on the table and does not need a computer or bt to tell him what he sees and what to do with it.

    Further any bad mouth about dice training aids is again more ignorance showing up like lip music and all are out of tune. None of you people can design or even build these electronic devices. Your hero Little Joe Green had all my material and many of my training aids. If it was good enough for him and others, why is it so wrong for othes to use them?

    By the way, why do golfers, ball players or any sports oriented bunch use training aids. HEY BELIEVE IT, THEY HELP THE USER HONE THEIR SKILLS. Further, human eyes cannot compete with the speed in split seconds of electronic sensing or accuracy.

    By the way damageago, top number junkies are getting only 2.77% of the info top number at outcome are showing. Dice have 3 axis, not just 1. You should trash bt and begin using your brain, or is it mush like that oozes out of your mouth.
     
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  13. Linaway, Feb 28, 2021

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    Koko, I want to thank you for dealing with these malidroit. Bt has wrecked what little mind they have. Better call the janitors for this pair I speak of will be puking their guts out trying to bad mouth me even more. I honestly believe they are jealous because they cannot do what you and I are capable of Koko. By the way, our lengthy conversation this morning was great to participate in. I truly enjoy visiting with those with intelligence and self reliance. Those that do not require somebody else doing the work for them.
     
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  14. Dave G Ct, Feb 28, 2021

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    Well DeMango the question " Is there life in outer space?" has just been answered.

    Keep our planet and environment safe from plastic junk masquerading as intelligent teaching aids.

    You can use a velur throw and get dice prints where exactly your dice is landing. Not some screeching irritating mouse better left for North Korea for prisoner abuse.

    Dice Speak does not take perspective as how the dice is tossed. Yes use these musings to decipher a toss from the MP to a trained monkey.Dont worry I got this" Lineaway 2021
     
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  15. Linaway, Feb 28, 2021

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    Ah Dave, apparently as a child you were forced to take dancing lessons. It's obvious your intelligence level still cannot provide appropriate comments since you tend to dance around the subject matter. For that matter you cannot spell my handle correctly.

    Dice speak is for the purpose of reading the dice anywhere on the table. It only deals with this function. As for your imaginary measure of sensing an outcome, you failed again. As for the tone alertor on the Target Zone Detector, it clearly states to the owners there is a potentiometer inside the enclosure where you can adjust the time on for the transducer or just turn it off. Again you don't know anything short of criticism of what others can do and you are incapable. Further you have a similar tone in your microwave and my opinion is you intentionally preset that time so you can hear when the food is ready. Fess up dummy!

    As for the dice grip, a Launch Detector is utillized. Again dancer, you are talking about a subject you know nothing about.

    1.....you are incapable of reading the dice anywhere on the table
    2.....you do not know how many axle variable there are for any give array
    3.....you consistently bad mouth anybody that can do things you're incapable of
    4.....your head is full of another persons opinion and was sold a load of poles
    5.....there is no way you can compete with me or any individual with our knowledge of dice properties.
    6.....you are incapable of functioning at a live table to know what you see and what to do with since you're addicted to being a top number junkie
    This 6 pack is just a brief summary of how many see who and what you are.
    My next comment is when will you grow up and start acting like an adult?
    You can do as you wish for you see I only drop by to stir my stick so the forum will know the kind of nasty mannered individual you are. I won't stick around to see your response. I won't waste my time.
     
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  16. Dave G Ct, Feb 28, 2021

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    I don't need Dice Speak. Maybe if I lived in the Middle Ages I would be more apt to use it.I have no use for Dice Speak or charlitons. I use a dice set and if I shoot half way decent I will hit numbers where my bets are placed . PERIOD

    BTW how many 6 point fire bets have you authored? How many 5 pointers?

    Get off my thread you interloper!
     
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  17. von duck, Feb 28, 2021

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    This is absolutely the stupidest shit I've ever read, but funny. :) There is no way, any of you guys could possibly be serious. :cool:
     
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  18. KokomoJoe4, Feb 28, 2021

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    You know Dave I never thought of that.

    Further, the dumb asses playing at the table with me seem to always forget to wear their badges indicating either "so-called DI" or "RR".

    DS does not give results. Results are in the dice at rest after either the so-called DI or random roller has tossed them.

    We do not need dice speak to know what is most important about the outcome. If we have functioning eyes, and if we can count to twelve, we know the result. If we have working ears, we can hear this result called out by the stick.

    In order to have a total understanding of the outcome, we need dice speak.

    You would think that this knowledge would be more important to the so-called DI than to anyone else, since he is the one that wants to know how his shot is performing.

    Unlike the random roller, he will know his starting set. IF he learned how to see what the dice show him at outcome, that is, if he knew dice speak, he would see immediately, while at play, with EVERY shot he makes, how his outcome compares to his set.
     
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  19. Dave G Ct, Feb 28, 2021

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    Koko. Can we say totally random outcomes in DS.In other words " Can we all say worthless?"
     
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  20. DeMango, Feb 28, 2021

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    Linaway is deadly serious, we are trampling on his baby. Imagine a craps world where the results on the sides are important. No one else has come up with that for good reason, it has no value. Like the streak detector. Ludicrous.
     
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