DI Setting- 2 approaches

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  1. TDVegas, Nov 7, 2016

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    This is the stuff I can get on board with....very reasonable arguments and points here.

    True...how does that reconcile with the DI getting the dice on a new table and immediately loading up across the board (gargoil) on first toss?
     
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  2. gargoil, Nov 7, 2016

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    The fact that I can do that and succeed while you can't do that is eating you alive. If I am lying then why do you care? Who died and made you the savior of craps players on this forum? No one. Again a form of Bullying. You are not questioning my claim, you are using what I said in other posts as sarcasm. BULLY BULLY BULLY
     
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  3. tabletop123, Nov 7, 2016

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    Well, I certainly don't have a dog in the fight! Just stating MY opinion on things! Personally, I NEVER want to even meet another Dice Influencer, & CERTAINLY would NEVER go to a table with one!

    I believe there ARE those that are dedicated to the craft! I feel that I have put in my apprenticeship, & I simply choose the "Lone Wolf" route! Getting together for Practice, & an exchange of ideas is simply not my cup of tea!

    No disrespect to anyone else that tries to influence the dice, but Old TableTop has simply outgrown the "Practice" stages of Dice Influencing. Spent COUNTLESS hours on my home table, dissecting, & re-constructing!

    After 8 tedious, & tiresome years of "PRACTICE"..........Now it's time to "Go Do"! Yes, the JURY IS STILL OUT, but so far, so good, & I Guarandamtee you that Old Top will either "Get the job done", or move on to something more lucrative.

    One thing is certain......I will NOT spend another DAY practicing my toss! Been there, done that, & (whether successful or not), & can execute a repetitive toss EFFORTLESSLY!

    Once Again....... I hope to get LUCKY, by executing repetitive toss mechanics! Show me the money!
     
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  4. TDVegas, Nov 7, 2016

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    Holy shit...sounds like James Hall. James Hall II?;)

    I'm eating a leftover steak sandwich.:p

    Even most credible (DI's) will admit the skill is fleeting, they DO lose, they cannot do it all the time, they have off days, not sharp.....Unless you are James Hall---then you win everytime.:D

    I won my last 3 sessions...what is preventing me from saying it was because of dice influence or ANY random player who won his last session, last 2 or last 3 sessions from declaring it influence and not luck?

    Expectation is NOT going to play out short term. Something WILL be skewed. It might be 7's or 6's or 8's or 10's or 12's. Anyone can make a justification for influence because the results didn't match expectation.

    In all likelihood...this is what is happening. You are mistaking luck/variance for DI. No harm in that. You can apply it in any manner you like... but differentiating your results from luck to DI? Nah. Too fleeting, IMO. Plus, you have no tracking data. The edge is only 1.41% for a randie. Not much luck is needed to flip that to positive variance and claim it was influence and not luck. Di is a nice way of distinguishing it...but in the end, you were lucky.

    That's good. We all strive for lucky days.
     
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  5. gargoil, Nov 7, 2016

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    TDV answer me this simple question. If you don't believe in DI and don't care about DI then why do you keep asking questions about it?
     
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  6. gargoil, Nov 7, 2016

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    Yep I have been lucky for the past x years. Lucky to win 8 of 10 sessions when I play. And that's exactly why no DI will take your BS challenge. Your answer to their DI... Nah they just got lucky.
     
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  7. TDVegas, Nov 7, 2016

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    It was never prefaced as a prove or disprove DI challenge. This is the Bohunk challenge. This is a GO DO challenge and not a challenge to prove or disprove DI...

    Hello??!! McFly.....knock, knock.
    This has been REPEATED 300 times already.

    It is NOT a DI challenge on proving DI. It is a challenge that tells you to GO DO what you say you can do....with confidence. Influence results.

    None will take it because they can't DO. They cannot do it. They cannot influence. They aren't not taking it because they feel it "proves nothing on DI". We know that it proves nothing other than ACCOMPLISH.

    They aren't taking it because they don't have the confidence to DO IT..to accomplish it.

    So, the debate rages on. Live with it.

    Oh, btw...forgot. Anecdotal...but your anecdotal. Be happy.
     
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  8. Dave G Ct, Nov 7, 2016

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    As to verification.When in live play I am more concerned with establishing a fluid toss - not recording numbers.You can tell if your PFH: s are hitting. TD - could be varience.Yes TD but I do it more times than average.
     
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  9. James Hall, Nov 7, 2016

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    when you referred toTDV as a bully , you were spot on
    he delights in the fact that people with skill get sick of his negative crap
    and move on to other things and other forums , because he is devoid of any skill he lashes out at those who demonstrate even a little bit of talent ,
    there are numerous people who get on this forum in an effort to learn something
    who will not join because of the ridicule TDV expresses toward them for even just asking a question about winning
    He hates any mention of DI or anything related ,
    somehow he has set himself up as the censor and protector against all things related to winning at craps
    he is impotent when it comes to the game , he has no clue how to win
    so he tries to convince those that do , they can't
    some cave , others move on
    Bully is the right term and he feels safe and secure in his anonymity
    and as long as he can remain anonymous he will continue his cowardly attacks
    maybe he will come out of the shadows disclose his name & phone number
    or maybe someone will agree to his BUTT HUMP CHALLENGE
    then we can be there to see and meet him face to face and really discuss craps
    and his shortcomings relative to the game
    TDV will you disclose ???
     
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  10. Dave G Ct, Nov 7, 2016

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    Why not give DI a try- having played tennis you must have hand & eye coordination.Nothing ventured - nothing gained.One of the reasons I tried it was that I hated charting tables lol
     
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  11. gargoil, Nov 7, 2016

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    Do you not see anything wrong with this post? DI = Dice Influence. You say this challenge tells you to GO DO and in the same sentence it says it proves you can't influence. You can't have it both ways.
     
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  12. TDVegas, Nov 7, 2016

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    Not true...
    I've met...
    Rick (Superrrick)...as you have.
    tdb (twodicebilly)
    OnAutoPilot (JB)
    betweenthelines (tomp)

    I've also talked on the phone with crapspoopshoot (trying to set up a meet and greet).

    I will see Liman next month.

    As you know, I told you where I play.
    I thought you were coming by on Saturday...alas, you weren't even in Vegas.

    I have less anonymity than you.
     
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  13. TDVegas, Nov 7, 2016

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    OK, lets remove all wording of DI, influence, etc. and simply call this a GO DO challenge.

    It's a confidence challenge. This is why tomp came up with Bohunk instead of DI.....so as not to cloud the issue.
     
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  14. James Hall, Nov 7, 2016

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    wrong when you challenged me it was to "PROVE MY EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS"
    don't be misled folks the purpose of the BUTT HUMP CHALLENGE is an attempt to disprove DI
    as long as that theory is mentioned on this forum TDV and his crowd can't discuss knitting doilies
    When the DI crowd is totally gone they will have nothing to talk about
    they can't see what TDV trying to do
     
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  15. TDVegas, Nov 7, 2016

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    That's beyond dumb...
    First off, I don't want you having my phone number. You might not care about giving yours out. I do. This is why my business card simply says "I'll call you"....;)

    Several here have my phone number and name. You are too hung up on people having to disclose personal info on an open forum (phone number, address, etc.)

    As I said before..YOU are the only one who is on board with this idiotic idea.
     
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  16. James Hall, Nov 7, 2016

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    how about we call it a proficiency test ? we could probably get some takers
     
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  17. TDVegas, Nov 7, 2016

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    Right...your claims on confidence of being able to do something. No argument.
     
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  18. Onautopilot, Nov 7, 2016

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    What am I missing here.....if someone is a skilled DI, they should know what advantage they are playing to.

    There is no need to increase ones bet in a single session, therefore, no need to feel any anxiety.

    Increasing ones bet as a DI should involve a Kelly type progression....always bet what ever percentage you have established as your advantage, as a factor of bankroll.

    Do it just like the card counters do!

    If your advantage is throwing more of one number than expectation.....lets say it comes out to a 5% advantage, always bet 5% of your bankroll on that number, numbers.

    There should be no mystery to it.....you are either playing to an advantage or not....if you truly have that advantage.....manage your bets, and bankroll to reflect it!

    Any "anxiety" is probably a result of not having a clue! :)
     
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  19. Onautopilot, Nov 7, 2016

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    If all of this is true, why do you give one rats ass why someone questions it.....better yet, why do you even need to make the claims on a public forum?

    If I had that talent, I wouldn't spend two seconds arguing with TD or anyone else.....I would be quietly going about the business of collecting the casino's chips.

    Just makes no sense to me at all.
     
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  20. TDVegas, Nov 7, 2016

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    This is what I was saying. He's claiming a win rate of 75-80% using an across the board play. 3-4 hits and regress. What am I missing? Other than I think this guy should own the casino with these numbers.
     
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