DI 's who need to step it up

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  1. TDVegas, Nov 4, 2016

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    I'm simply trying to understand your basis for declaring yourself a DI.

    Your basis is confidence.

    No math, no tracking, no SRR.
     
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  2. gargoil, Nov 4, 2016

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    I agree with you that inputting rolls in the computer to see what you can do is ... well let's just leave it at that. What I am saying is that there is no need for you to get on here and preach DI to the masses and chest thump. Your post (that I quoted) is full of "Look at what I can do". And you get upset when others call you out on it. If you truly are talented then just go do it. Why do you feel the need to come out here and brag about it. Because you will get called on it.

    And yest I am net positive. Been for a very long time and I know a certain someone that will quickly state that it is easy to be net positive when you go to the casino 2 times a year :). To that I will state I visit the casino more often than folks think I do
     
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  3. Dave G Ct, Nov 4, 2016

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    TD has a right to critique anything you post especially if you make extraordinary claims.Like I said hi lemmings here to back you up.
     
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  4. gargoil, Nov 4, 2016

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    Yes. I am confident with my toss and confident that I can make money with how I throw the dice and how I bet. And no I don't just get lucky. It takes more then luck to get 75 to 80 percent consistency.
     
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  5. gargoil, Nov 4, 2016

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    What extraordinary claims? you must be reading your own posts.
     
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  6. TDVegas, Nov 4, 2016

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    I have no idea what 75-80% consistency means.
     
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  7. Dave G Ct, Nov 4, 2016

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    You are talented I believe.I was net positive before I ever took DI up.You are mistaken - like you nothing to sell.and am not trying to promote DI If I light it up you better believe I will talk about it just like most posters here and at other boards.But when people attack me for no reason I react like you do lol.
     
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  8. gargoil, Nov 4, 2016

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    Well at least you beat me there. I didn't know what I was doing before I took up DI and lost a lot of money.
     
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  9. gargoil, Nov 4, 2016

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    Winning on the table. Listen I know you don't believe in this DI stuff and you think it's all voodoo bullshit and that's fine. I don't get my panties in a wad over that. I honestly don't care. Tomorrow if you went to RedRock and played the bubble craps and came out a winner and I played on the craps table and came out a winner with higher dollar denomination then you, does that make you less of a player? Does that make you less than anything? Does that make me stating anything extra ordinary? It's okay if we both play the game differently. Not sure why some people here have a hard time with this.
     
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  10. TDVegas, Nov 4, 2016

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    You have a 75-80% win rate (7-8 of 10 sessions?)

    What is the betting strategy?
     
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  11. gargoil, Nov 4, 2016

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    I bet big for 3 or 4 hits then regress down. At that point the casino can't beat me. I made money. From there I full press every other hit (taking every other hit) until the seven shows. Do I PSO? Sure but not as often as you think and when I do, I make it back up in 2 winning sessions. I can tell you that the 75 to 80 number was a lot lower when I first started so my $$ betting was lower. As the percent number went up so did the $$. I also sometimes play the iron cross (as you and OAP have mentioned before) and that made me a lot of money when the triple payout hit.
     
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  12. TDVegas, Nov 4, 2016

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    And what happens when a 7 hits while big bets are out there? You are covering all numbers? Across the board big waiting on 3-4 hits and claiming a win rate of about 80%?

    Are you suggesting you can avoid the 7 but have ZERO statistical basis for knowing how much more than SRR 6????

    I'll leave it up to the math guys..but sounds like an extraordinary claim...beyond belief.
     
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  13. TDVegas, Nov 4, 2016

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    I also find it beyond strange that you say no DI is extrapolating, discussing, bragging, talking or making known his DI claims on public forums.....yet that's EXACTLY what you are doing here.
     
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  14. gargoil, Nov 4, 2016

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    You can leave it to the math guys and believe anything you want. Like I said before I don't care. That's your choice. To answer your questions, yes I have all the numbers covered (except the crap numbers unless I do an Iron cross) and if a roll a seven then yes that's a big loss. The reason I state (not claim) I have an 80% win rate is because I take money off the table (regress) after the 4th hit and at that point I have more money then the amount I bought in. Whatever happens from that point I am up for that session. If a 7 hits on the fifth roll I am still up for that session.
     
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  15. gargoil, Nov 4, 2016

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    No I am answering YOUR questions. You are asking me how I bet and how I play. I can be rude and tell you it's none of your business. Not sure what you consider bragging. The fact that I bet big or that I win a lot. Or maybe both? Just because you don't bet big and maybe don't win a lot does not mean it can't be done.
     
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  16. TDVegas, Nov 4, 2016

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    Answering questions about your play on a forum....something you stated real DI's want no part of nor are they doing.

    Just contradictory. Who cares that I'm asking. If you are holding true to what you said...you should be answering nothing...nor discussing.
     
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  17. gargoil, Nov 4, 2016

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    Okay.
     
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  18. Dave G Ct, Nov 4, 2016

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    Thx for you commenting on your betting strategy.Why regress on the fourth hit instead of the Second hit? Of course if you regressed after 2 hits you may have to take 2 numbers down like MP' s $204 across.
     
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    I played tonight.... my SRR was 8.2.. now did I lie or miscount????

    I showed you 180 rolls a couple of weeks ago..... well over 8.... did I miscount
    or did I lie..... my 3 week trip this spring.... over 8...... did I miscount or did I lie????

    You cant have it both ways.....

    Either a person Is honest and reports the data accurately or not.

    I offered to fly to VEGAS and play TDV 3 days in a row.... the kid does not
    have a chance and he knows it. You don't get paid for flapping your mouth
    and you don't perfect your shot on the bubble craps machine.

    If TDV thought for one second he could throw against any number of people
    on this board he would do it.... it would be even money.... you cant get those
    odds in any casino in town.

    tdb
     
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  20. TDVegas, Nov 4, 2016

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    Yes, I would. I would put my tosses up against ANYONE (DI or otherwise) but I wouldn't be stupid enough to wager $2,000 on what is the equivalent of a coin flip. I have a 50/50 chance against anyone here for toss length. I thought for less than a second to say that. millisecond.

    I'll toss against anyone here. I'm at Red Rock. Anyone. My monkey toss has the same exact chance as anyone else. Period. It's a random game. Luck. It's impossible for me to think you have a better or worse chance than me. You don't. It's a RANDOM game. My belief. In a random game, my chances are 50/50. You don't understand that? You never heard of Pat DeMauro?

    I also certainly would not be stupid enough to wager 2k on what is a 50/50 bet. If I could make a $2 pass wager with a $2,000 odds bet (at 0% HA)---would I do it? Of course not. for me, I'd consider that idiotic wagering. Some might like 1,000X odds.
    As far as my chances. I could win a SRR. I could lose a SRR. It's 50/50, IMO.

    If you have a long term 8+ SRR....and you aren't making HUGE money---you're doing something wrong. It's a key to the vault.

    So, something isn't adding up. Maybe you're doing your funky calculation where you count come outs only if it's a point number. It should not be counted to be consistent. Who the hell knows what else you are excluding for your adjustments? Maybe you toss numbers off if you think it was a bad toss.

    Your claims aren't smelling right. Saying you have a long term 8+ SRR and as a DI still expect to be a long term loser???

    It's not adding up. Something is wrong. Seriously wrong. As OAP noted you have a 15% edge on EVERY roll of the dice. It's math. It's a fact. You should be very, very rich. You said you expect to be a net loser over a lifetime. Wtf?

    Either you are the worst bettor in the world to not make big money on your 8.5 SRR or there is something seriously wrong with your calculation.

    Remember Hightower. He said of your numbers---either you are the best craps player the world has ever seen or your numbers are wrong. He wanted to test you on video. Best I can remember..you said no.

    So between the WoV forum and this forum where people are telling you "something ain't adding up"....we're questioning it.

    Take tomp's bohunk if you are so confident. You're getting HUGE odds to money wagered.

    Really?...the same people who ran from the bohunk challenge where 1 gets you 7.:rolleyes:
     
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