Mind if I chime in? I'll even contribute the price of admission. Well, I do not understand. I have no problem with discussions of grips, throwing techniques, mechanical aids, or just dice influencing in general, and I doubt Tom or TDVegas do either. I will even give a pass to session/trip reports of phenomenal success attributing that success to DI (though I might compute the probability of that success being due to random chance if it does not require too much effort). However, I will challenge outright unsupported claims of long term success achieved at the expense of many hours of practice, and much mullah for instruction and equipment. I personally could not care less if such claims are true, but as a veteran player with a background in science (BS Chemistry) and logic (retired IT professional) I feel somewhat obligated to warn those with less experience that DI is not necessarily the rainbow leading to a pot of gold. TDVegas seems perfectly capable of defending himself so I will not speak for him. Nevertheless, I do stand with him on several points. Why are those who claim to have found the aforementioned rainbow posting here (and/or anywhere else for that matter) instead of following it with all haste? Why do they feel insulted or even care if anybody believes them? Why not simply say, "I have a chip tree and you don't!" and be done with it? IOW a successful DI's bank account should be its own reward. I smoked for 49 years. I had a mild heart attack 8½ years ago, re-evaluated the habit, and decided to give it up, but I always thought of myself as a "considerate" smoker. For example, I would step back from a card table during a shuffle to take a few puffs, and exhale away from dealers and other players at all tables. Please, no applause; it was simply a matter of "do unto others etc."