DI 's who need to step it up

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  1. HornHiYo, Nov 2, 2016

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    And then the well went dry! Little wonder why DI, So-Called DI, and Advantage Craps Smart Players need to keep a low profile and not give away secrets on craps websites. Lose lips sink ships.
     
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  2. twodicebilly, Nov 2, 2016

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  3. betwthelines, Nov 2, 2016

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    Bullshit, tdb.

    one need not know ANYTHING about your laundry list of delusions to have a VALID OPINION about DI and to also be "taken seriously" about it.

    i know that this disturbs you greatly but it is true in general...i need not be visited by aliens in order to have a valid opinion about them...

    nonetheless a good many of your tormentors and those you think have no business even weighing in on the matter have plenty of experience at bank craps...in almost 43 years at the rail i personally have seen no evidence of DI...on the contrary there is plenty of indications otherwise...i, have witnessed nothing but what look like random rolls...and any slo-mo videos that i have ever seen also confirm this...

    furthermore i have been in the presence of many an adamant DI & have found their RESULTS, their OUTCOMES indistinguishable from all other shooters.

    ...but more than that ---and unlike, for example, bj card counters where advantage play is KNOWN <sic> to be possible ---commercial casinos welcome all comers to the craps rail...their fear of DI -- superstitious crews aside -- is officially ZERO...

    to say those who know, nor even care to know, nothing about the finer niceties and techniques that you have listed forecloses their right to weigh in on the subject is BULLSHIT (never mind that there is disagreement among DIers themselves as to what belongs on your list)...

    instead of your lame, can-never-happen-anyway campaign on a public forum to silence those with whom disagree, instead of your personal insults in reply, try putting forth sound reasoning, sound indications of your claims...anecdotes and lists of numbers to which you have applied your own, idiosyncratic standards do not suffice in this...

    even evidence of confidence in your own, claimed abilities---we mean DO, not just talk--- would be admirable whether successful or not...

    tom p

    "The cure for a fallacious argument is a better argument, not the suppression of ideas"
    --Carl Sagan, 1997
     
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  4. Dave G Ct, Nov 2, 2016

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    Thx Tom P - took it deep lol.
     
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  5. Dave G Ct, Nov 2, 2016

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    You should team up with DeMango- 2 neurotics getting too involved in a small sample of results- changing set- bad dice- on axis- off axis- you 2 lead the league with Zanax.Get a grip- you are in live play- practice is long over.No wonder TD & Tom P are taking you deep.
     
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  6. betwthelines, Nov 3, 2016

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    whoa!

    High Compliment from that ace hurler, our davey...

    tom p
    -g. geist: pro'llum mit our davey is you never know wtf post he is referring to
    --tom p: yah
    ---g. geist:
    ----tom p: plus he is unaware of that penultimate, lower right button...
    -----g. geist:
    ------tom p:
    -------g. geist: wtf! you pandering for likes again?!
    --------tom p:
    ---------g. geist: i have several times put your shit right out in the street for that...STOP IT! unseemly...unbecoming
    ----------tom p: right...right...sorry...sorry...just an observation more than anything...just, you know, following along with your initial observation...
    -----------g. geist: yah, right...likely story...
     
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  7. Dave G Ct, Nov 3, 2016

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    My post was directed to TwoDBilly not TD
     
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  8. betwthelines, Nov 3, 2016

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    davey boy, it is FREQUENTLY the case on here that it is not clear to which post you are referring/replying to...

    here is a clue for you all: there's this little "reply" verb in the lower right corner of every posting on this forum...try clicking on it once...

    i realize that things are a bit of a challenge for you in general but this is really not all that difficult.

    it is softball, davey boy...slow pitch...easy.


    tom p
    -g. geist: kitten ball even
    --tom p: sure...
    ---g. geist: think davey even knows what kitten ball is?
    ----tom p: sure...


    "...well here's another clue for you all
    the walrus was paul..."

    --lennon-mccartney, Glass Onion, 1968
     
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  9. twodicebilly, Nov 3, 2016

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    Tom

    Any post that is liked by TDV is sure as heck not to be taken seriously, that is for
    sure... yours included.

    You said this...

    i know that this disturbs you greatly
    but it is true in general...i need not be visited by aliens in order to have a valid opinion about them...

    I have no problem with that, I don't care what you believe, you have that right.....

    The question is why don't others have the same right..???? you cant possibly think that when a person gets on
    here to dicusss dice control or influence they do it to convince you about do you???? I sure hope not...

    We discuss that stuff because we are interested in it, we work on it ....and I understand this upsets you greatly,
    and apparently drives people like TDV and autoguy nuts,,, but all we want is to be able to talk about it without
    their constant nonsense......

    Surely that cant be to much to ask.... now if we were demanding you also believe it, if we were demanding you
    buy a video or a book or take a class.... now see that is different... but none of that has happened.

    Every attack on here has come at those that don't believe like you or Autoguy or TDV...why is that.

    If you can explain why you guys get so upset about something that does not affect (you ) at all I will
    be all ears.

    Twodicebilly
     
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  10. TDVegas, Nov 3, 2016

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    LOL...post of the year.

    You think it is WE who are getting upset???

    You get debated on your claims and you spew verbal diarrhea (shithead, asshole...just to name a few). Then when a few other DI's also question your data collating on SRR you throw in the towel "maybe this place isn't for me"...

    It is YOU who gets upset....not us. The day this forum upsets me like it has done to you IS the day I leave.

    You are allowing people to upset you, piss you off, bang your head on a table, demand they leave, demand they not respond, etc....because they have opinions on the efficacy of dice influence???

    Just common sense has to come into play here...why would someone on record saying DI will result in a lifetime loser---dedicate so many hours to it. There is but one conclusion in my mind. Fun. It's fun to do. It can't be for exercise (health). Can't be for money.

    Wonderful. Fun is what it's about....although I might want to dedicate those extra fun hours to something more worthwhile than all the extra hours inhaling smoke, waiting for dice and collating your laundry list of data.

    1...what affect does the table have on set
    2...what affect do personal physical change have on outcome
    3 what does access control mean
    4 what does off axis control mean
    5 what is the relationship between starting set and finish
    6...what is the relationship between bad dice and the seven showing
    7 what is the relationship between craps numbers and the 6-1
    8 can a change in starting set be charted
    9 can set change over come bad dice
    10..can starting set change SRR

    A pass/odds bettor can achieve the SAME as you...small lifetime net loser and have all that down time (see laundry list above) doing something else. To each his own If you enjoy doing all that and achieve the same basic money results as someone not.
     
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  11. The Comeback Kid, Nov 3, 2016

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    DI is simple Joe, like quantum physics.
    Wait, sorry, you're right... it's not the only way.
    Consider becoming certified as a
    "Streak Detectorist".
    Not only is it rocket science, it's orbital.

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  12. betwthelines, Nov 3, 2016

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    you are just confused, tdb
    the sheer idiocy ---yes idiocy--- that anyone here is denying you any "rights" has been pointed out to you previously...it is so beyond the pale ridiculous that i will make no further comment about it until next time you bring it up.:cool:
    and why wouldn't it be "possible" to think that?---what you generally do not seem to "get" is that this is a public forum and motives for posting things are all over the map...some get on here very much wanting to convince others of their skills and even of the efficacy of DI itself...you are naive in the extreme if you think otherwise...

    but <sigh> you are correct in that i don't think that it is directed at me when you and others get on here to discuss "techniques" and theories etc about DI nor do i believe that i personally have had much if anything to say about such subjects...

    when you DIers talk about your "sets" or techniques i intentionally refrain from comment because---yes, you are correct---i know nothing about it, nor care to...go ahead: check back on any of our exchanges---we have had several lively & occasionally even fruitful ones, yet you will not see one comment from me about actual DI techniques...my comments have always been directed at your CLAIMS regarding RESULTS & OUTCOMES & your other ludicrous nonsense such as the aforementioned assertion that ANYONE is DENYING you your rights!. these are subjects on which i have every right to my opinions...one need not understand the mechanics of gravity, for example, or the machinations of politics to have an opinion about those things...
    those are my words btw: try some originality...complete nonsense. none of it upsets me in the least...indeed the opposite is the case: i have oft-stated the value of DI because of the apparent FUN that it seems to provide to so many...attributing the opposite to what others have said simply proves that your contentions are invalid.
    how so? more nonsense---though not made up out of whole cloth...rather just again copycatting words, attributing your own misgivings and insecurities to others.
    fine. have at it...but if you do not wish to be "interrupted" with dissenting "nonsense" DO NOT DO IT ON A PUBLIC FORUM...

    this has been pointed out to you a number of times...a public forum is NOT your sandbox...if you wish to discuss these things without noise or interruptions, then you need to set up a private group...it is not that difficult to do.
    you can ask it but if you expect compliance on a public forum you are fucked...it simply cannot happen...it is impossible due to the nature of human beings...give that idea up...start your own private group.

    now---and i am dead serious here---if you ask me --not demand-- personally to refrain from ever replying or commenting on your posts, just so long as you did not direct any of it towards me or mention me in them, i would tend to HONOR YOUR REQUEST...generally i am a live and let live kind of a guy...indeed speaking of politics i am a dyed-in-the-wool libertarian.

    i have weighed in heretofore only as a reaction to some of your total nonsense such as someone is denying your free speech rights and---you must be fair---to sometimes even offer agreement with you and even mild defense of some of your methods...such a polite request as the one above by you would be difficult in the extreme for me to honor...but, you know, i could do it (but, really, would it be as much fun for you?...lol)

    but if you wish that as a general request on a public forum...well...again...you are fucked in that
    ...with some exceptions i suppose these "attacks" as you call them have been directed at your ideas and delusions and not at your person...to the extent, if any, these have been personal attacks that is dismaying to me (though here again generally a GIVEN on a public forum) and i do not like it...No. i do not like it one bit.

    as to "why is that", i suppose part of the answer is semantics...you would not even call them "attacks" if they were coming from those with whom you agree...inherent in your question is thus a tautology of sorts...again there will be disagreement on public forums. Period.

    unfortunately the VALID distinction between attacks upon your IDEAS & attacks upon your person are not always made...this too is dismaying.
    that anyone is "upset" other than you is either all in your mind alone or else i have been unable to discern it...

    disagreement on a public forum does serve a purpose---and once again if you want none of that, you simply must go private---as there are many lurkers and others looking for information & as a matter of course the public is going to call out anything percieved as BS or misinformation or delusional.

    disagreement offers a measure of useful and educational balance.

    tom p

    "fun is good" --trademark of the st paul saints
     
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  13. Liman

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    Im not sure why di tossers are so adamant about convincing anyone else who doesn't believe in it.

    I also enjoy the way di shooters totally discount the 30,40, years of craps table experience as, oh, you don't know what to look for, or you don't understand di.....

    I understand one thing when it comes to craps, I like to win, and the only way I win is when numbers pop up, either for or against other shooters, and to this day, I haven't seenanyone setting up dice faces shoot any different outcomes overall then me.
    that I understand. why is so hard for di shooters to understand this.

    just go do it.
     
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  14. TDVegas, Nov 3, 2016

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    I've stated before that as a general rule I would refrain from posting (not a guarantee) responses to tdb's DI postings....if he leaves my name out of his postings (rantings).

    Seems he cannot do that. My name MUST be included.

    I have rarely if ever chimed in on the details of DI (what set does this, how to hold, how to toss)...the mechanics if you will. That stuff is beyond me.

    I have chimed in when what I consider to be flawed data has been offered....
    Or why the industry is not on record recognizing DI (they welcome all of them)...
    and other details regarding Kelly strategy and playing more (James Hall 3 times a year?) LOL.
    And why teach a subject that could imperil your own ability to make money in the casino?

    I also FULLY concede...I am at an ABSOLUTE fucking loss for words to explain, rationalize or understand this one issue noted below.

    How or why the Flunk is anyone (tdb) claiming to be a dice influencer (an AP player if you will) but EXPECTS or CONCEDE'S to still be a net lifetime loser in the pursuit!!!!!??????
     
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  15. DeMango, Nov 3, 2016

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    Another post of the year! I don't have to insult Davey, let others do it! The problem with stepping up in intelligence is .....he can't!
     
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  16. Dave G Ct, Nov 3, 2016

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    it is softball, davey boy...slow
    ----tom p: sure...

    "...well here's another clue for you all
    the walrus was paul..."

    --lennon-mccartney, Glass Onion, 1968
    [/QUOTE]
     
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  17. Dave G Ct, Nov 3, 2016

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    Thx Tom did not know. Lol
    DeMango maybe Gargoil can fix your game.What I know of him I think his shot does not need major revisions every time out.Nor does he resort to a merry go round of set changes.
     
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  18. twodicebilly, Nov 4, 2016

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    Again... the thought that anyone that practices dice control or influence or anything else you
    want to call it gets on here to convince anyone else is in itself an insult... it suggests we
    are doing so to validate what we do.... I think you understand that.

    I understand this is a public forum.... I except there will be people like TDV on any forum like this
    and there are.. they just change names and act the same.... make no mistake.. their aim to get everyone
    that talks about dice control off the forum... I cant understand why you don't see that..

    As for getting upset, I never get upset,,, I get amazed at some people that is true....I don't understand
    why some have to act like they do. As I have said before I look at TDV as I would a smoker at a local
    casino.... they are always there, they make the experience miserable for others, they blow smoke in
    their faces at the BJ table, on the craps table, right next to you at a slot machine... they don't even think, they
    surely don't care.

    When you get home your clothes stink.... In general it makes the experience less than it could have
    been,, that is like dealing with TDV on here.... it is not I don't understand there are people like him... I just
    understand what a good forum would be like if a person like that understood that when you spend hundreds
    of hours practicing and recording your data.... then TDV or others suggest you are to stupid to practice correctly,
    or record the data correctly, or even understand what the data suggests.....those types of comments are
    not directed at the mechanics of dice control... but at me or others that have done the pacticing or recorded
    the data.

    Tom I would think this would make sense to you.

    I understand I will never be able to get rid of the smokers.... but but even one that finally understands the
    effect they can have can make a difference.

    twodicebilly
     
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  19. gargoil, Nov 4, 2016

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    The people on this forum that are against the notion of DI or speak negative against it or insult others that practice it or confront anyone that says they are thinking about it. They do that not because they are losers or bad people. They do that because they are tired of some so called DI'ers coming on here and bragging about what they do and stating in facts that they are better than them. I think over time the "Randies" as some would refer to on this forum have a chip on their shoulder against anyone stating anything about DI and sometimes make blanket statement.

    Whose fault is it? Who started it? I don't know. But what I can tell you is this and this is MY OPINION. I believe that if I do something with the dice different than someone who shakes and throws, I have a better chance of ... (fill in the blank). Again this is MY OPINION. Not pushing anyone to drop their own beliefs and jump on board my train. If you disagree then IT IS OKAY WITH ME. Now this is the difference between me and some other "so called" DI'ers. If you tell them I don't believe you then they get their panties in a wad and they insist on converting the masses and the insults begin.

    You also have the trolls that have nothing better to do than coming on here and start shit. They exist on both sides. They are the ones that disturb any discussion or conversation about anything craps. They are the reason NO ONE can find any useful information about craps on this forum because you have to weed out hundreds of useless posts. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do about it and THIS POST will soon get lost in the shuffle as it falls on death ears. What I have learned and this is my humble advice. The best way to deal with a troll is not engage them. They will soon engage one another and eventually everyone else will know exactly who they are.

    Best of luck to ANYONE in the casino.
     
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    I cannot tell the management/owner of this board how to run things, but personally, Id ban anyone who posts under different identities from the same IP address, that would be a good place to weed out the troublemakers, no matter what side of the fence they are on.
     
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