DI musings

Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by Dave G Ct, Jul 30, 2018.

  1. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

    James Hall

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    Nope not true at all , you encourage people
    to share strategies you approve , of the rest
    you attack with a vengeance , You have , you do , you always will
     
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  2. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    WHY? Seems rather selfish to me
     
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  3. TDVegas, Aug 3, 2018

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    How is dice influence proven or disproven during a session....or two, or three?
     
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  4. tabletop123, Aug 3, 2018

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    Regarding Dice Influencing.....does anyone recall Thorpe? Black Jack? Card Counting? Advantage Players were " cleaning up", " making bank" before Card Counting was exposed.
    A guy decides to write a friggin book & what was the end result?
    8 Deck Black Jack, 6:5 Black Jack, & guys being banned for Card Counting. Why? Because someone decided to profit on a book sale..kill all of the skilled Card Counters that were QUIETLY plodding along with TOTAL impunity....by running his friggin mouth!!!

    A very smart move, huh...Sherlock?

    Dice Influencing is NOT proven, but IF IT DOES EXIST....there are certainly guys that want to PROVE to the Casinos that it DOES exist by making silly statements like: " The Casinos already Know"!

    The Casinos DON'T conclusively know " Jack Shit", because if they DID...you can bet your sweet Ass that the game of craps would be " pulled" from the Casinos altogether.

    If it DOES EXIST....I would hope that it's NEVER proven...& THAT'S for the sake of the guys that REALLY do have an advantage, & are not just on an open forum blowing " hot Air", & fu**king things up for the guys that can REALLY do it!!!

    Just think...if guys like James really did win consistently, & then the game was pulled by the Casinos...the very first thing that guys like James would say is: " They already knew about guys like me"!

    Tell ya what....if the Casinos DO know.....it's allowed ONLY because it ain't doing enough damage to hurt their bottom line. You "Hero's, talented shooters better hope that it stays that way!!!!
     
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  5. tabletop123, Aug 3, 2018

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    No...I am simply saying that if a person wins consistently at home, he/she must then duplicate the same results in the Casino to validate an advantage.

    I am also saying that " YES", a person CAN consistently win at home, go to the Casinos, & play on the tables with the same bounce characteristics, & not do well.
    Not supposed to happen that way, but....it does happen.
    What I am saying....James...is that without proof....witnesses...it's gonna be pretty hard to convince Naysayers in your words of " I say", so therefore " I do"!
    It just doesn't work that way.

    Personally, I would say: " Fu**k it"! ' " Don't believe me"...who cares what you believe or don't believe.
    You've self-professed to be a man of many talents. Experienced things that most people will never experience. Ya expect someone to believe ya just because you say: " I'm James Hall, & what I say is true?"
     
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  6. tabletop123, Aug 3, 2018

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    James.....REALLY? Please.....just say that ya don't agree with my post, but please don't ask WHY!!!
    I just posted a complete NOVEL as to WHY!!! Lol
     
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  7. TDVegas, Aug 3, 2018

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    I think Thorpe was a bit pissed off that the casino industry really didn't believe him. Ego...chip on shoulder caused him to write the book...not money.

    An "I'll show you" attitude.

    If I remember...years later he kind of regretted writing the book. Run silent, run deep.
     
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  8. tabletop123, Aug 3, 2018

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    It can't be! However, if I witnessed a so-called skilled shooter CONSISTENTLY tossing the same clump of numbers....I WOULD take a special interest, & do my darnest to follow that person around for daysweeks/months!!!!

    Your only other option is " Sniping", & by MY definition.....hitting the same 1-3 numbers every 2-3 rolls.
    Is THAT possible? Probably not.....but it does fit the criteria of " Skilled Shooter"!!!
     
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  9. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    To some degree , but because of the limitations
    offered on this forum in the form of time and space
    If that person was genuinely interested I would
    encourage them to come see me or contact me by phone.
    Nope they would not and neither would anyone else
    and is exactly why trying to , as you and TDVegas put it ,
    prove anything in a casino is a total waste of time

    You would have to have the time and space
    to explain every little physical motion , the reason
    and the affects that the entire process entails
    and thus the reason why so many highly skilled players
    are reluctant to participate in such a foolish endeavor.
    Absolutely not , it takes hours and hours to explain
    this to people who are interested in learning
    TRAINING as the more learned among us refer to it
    It would take many hours of training and even more
    hours of practice much of which
    should be under the keen eye of an instructor
    which is exactly why I will not even talk to anyone
    unless they go thru a 2 hour introductory then
    commit to me that they will follow thru after beginning .
    WHAT WOULD IT HURT? How much damage could it possibly do?
    You yourself have said you have been doing DI
    in some form or another and it seems from
    your posts you are not doing well with it
    It takes more than reading an instruction on a forum
    to make this stuff work
    It takes , BRACE YOURSELF , Training , commitment
    and an investment of , TIME , EFFORT & ENERGY
    Reading what you could post on this forum would
    do very little to help anyone or cause much damage to you
    considering the constraints of time and space this
    or any other forum offer
    The reason TDVegas and others push back on this stuff
    is pretty simple , They're the crabs in the bucket
    and you are all worked up over it
    and there is no reason for it
    Good news and bad news
    There is a bit of gold in them thar casinos
    There ain't no gooses but if there was , they would be safe
    So it doesn't hurt to help a few people
    This push back crap is just something TDVegas
    and that group has dreamed up to have some relevance
    It'll be alright telling someone how they can bet
    and make more money with each win
    is not going to see casinos go under share that with
    TDVegas if you find time
     
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  10. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    Why does it have to be proven and
    to whom must it be proven
    People who practice the skill KNOW it works
    proving to your satisfaction does not enhance it in any way
     
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  11. The Midnight Skulker, Aug 3, 2018

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    Good grief! I posted the perfect system. It's not my fault if you don't know how to use it.
    Undoubtedly picking a nit, but I must disagree. If everybody, or even a significant percentage of everybody, had Mesa grade skill all advantage players, including you, would find it more difficult if not impossible to find a casino that would let you use that skill. Casinos are notorious for being poor sports when they lose. You may well have the resources to continue to do what you are currently doing other than playing craps for profit.
    I'm too lazy to pull out my copy of Beat the Dealer but IIRC he had been banned from playing, or had his (and only his) range of bets litmitted so that he was unable to gain any real advantage. Prohibited from doing he turned to writing about doing.
     
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  12. tabletop123, Aug 3, 2018

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    That's EXACTLY what I am saying TD!! " Run Silent, " Run Deep"!
    Why the fu**k would I want to EXPOSE Dice Influencing? James says it's selfish NOT to? Lol.

    Let's help everyone to become better players. Attack the Casinos in swarms. " Shoot their dicks in the dirt"! Kill our Golden Goose.
    Yep, help others to defeat the Casinos, because it's the Humanitarian thing to do. Lol

    Thankfully, there's only a handful of people that PROBABLY can influence the dice., so it doesn't affect the Casino's bottom line...otherwise, the ' gifted" few would TRULY be fu**ked, & unable to plow their trade because of Guy's like James.

    Listen....Casinos trespass, ban advantage Players, they don't tolerate it ...which means loss of income for the Advantage Players. WHY would you want to jeopardize your advantage by exposing what you do, & to train others to kill your Goose ?
    Of course this shit ain't happening, because most people that think they are influencing the dice are really only influencing their egos, but..........what if it WAS happening?

    Bank Craps would either be a thing of the Past, or only existing in the Casinos as a Trampoline, unbeatable Circus act for Clowns.

    Maybe we are already headed in THAT direction, huh?
     
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  13. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    Dice influencing IS PROVEN it does exist
    Every time a DI goes into a casino , plays and wins
    he reinforces the fact even further
    Random players call those folks , "GOOD SHOOTERS"
    I am sure you have heard the term I would
    even venture to say that you might have even used the term yourself
    The naysayers among us , those known as
    "THE GROUP OF INSIDERS" prefer to diminish those
    efforts with the term , "VARIANCE"
    even when that good shooter created that winning roll
    that everyone profited from
    Oh Yeah , it exists , it's out there
    THERE IT IS. There is the motivation behind all the
    negative push back , everything else is irrelevant
     
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  14. TDVegas, Aug 3, 2018

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    He's in Mesa. He's typed 2,432 words this morning already on how it can be done.

    I would take that time and play. Win. Money. I genuinely don't get the gavel pounding instead...but what do I know.
     
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  15. tabletop123, Aug 3, 2018

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    Nope....James thinks the Casinos would simply not care about swarms of talented shooters taking their cash. Remember...the Casinos know. The cat is out of the bag!! Lol
     
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  16. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    The DI does validate it , to the one person ,
    the only person that matters , himself
    To say that a person possessing the skill
    never proves it is simply not true
     
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  17. The Midnight Skulker, Aug 3, 2018

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    I believe a casino looks for only one thing: is a player winning more than he/she "should". If so that player needs to be dealt with. Figuring out why that player is successful is secondary, of interest only so that the profit/loss of other players exhibiting that same behavior can be scrutinized for better than expected results. IOW first things first: stop the bleeding, then analyze if a general preventive measure is indicated.
     
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  18. twodicebilly, Aug 3, 2018

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    We did win and it was pulled, if you want I can have the other guys post that
    played with me???? better yet I can give you their phone numbers...

    tdb
     
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  19. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    You could open a school in every
    town and city in this country and give instrction
    to mobs and mobs of people , the impact would
    impact the casinos , winning thru dice influence is
    much more difficult than card counting in as much
    as you must bring more of yourself into the game
    You must use your intelligence and your physical
    abilities . This thing people call Di is more than
    simply making decisions on whether to
    bet or not or how much to bet
    With DI you must make your bets then
    make a physical effort to produce the
    numbers you have chosen to bet
    Not everyone is going to find learning this EASY
    It requires that before mentioned
    Investment of time , effort and energy
    an investment that far too few people are prepared
    to commit to , The failure rate as a result of this
    is extremely high , one might refer to that
    as a rate of attrition
    But let's just say DI will never prove to be the
    threat that card counting has proven to be
    Too much more effort required for DI
     
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  20. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    Boy you sure keep track of what I do
    I have had people fascinated with and by me
    but up until now they have all been of the female gender
    Yeah that extra 3 or 4 dollars comes in handy , right TDV? LOL
    Now that is one interesting question and
    if I felt like reading the list over the next 10 to 15 minutes
    I might ask you to list it all
     
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