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Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by Dave G Ct, Jul 30, 2018.

  1. James Hall, Aug 2, 2018

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    You are not buying anything related to winning.
    If you played craps you might have a bark , you don't , you
    gave it up couldn't hack it so you piddle the dollar pass
    on a machine
    The problem you face with across and progression is
    you lack the shaft , it would take you out of that
    comfort zone you talk so much about .
    First you would have to make more than one bet
    and you would have to take it up to $5
    just keep piddling and pounding the button
    and of course you should continue relating what you see
    because gawd knows if you haven't seen it , it don't exist
     
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  2. James Hall, Aug 2, 2018

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    We all know that TDV is the guy to go to for betting strategies
    He constantly touts the strategies that have kept him net positive
    over the past few years

    Oh no wait , no , that wasn't TDV he's the one
    that has repeated several times

    "If I had a strategy or a way to win I certainly wouldn't
    be telling it to ANYONE , why would I .
    I would just keep it to myself and make bank"

    Which begs the question Why would we believe
    he is trying to turn anyone on to a winning strategy?

    Why is he so adamant about the progression strategy
    being so bad ?

    He said "If I had a winning strategy I would
    keep it to myself , Why would I want to create
    more people doing what I am doing , I would keep my mouth shut.
    Something is not making sense here

    He says "making more money on each win is bad"
    He says "Making less money on each win is good"
     
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  3. James Hall, Aug 2, 2018

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    What these guys are not taking into account
    is the fact there are several ways to run a progression

    The other point is you can play a regression
    strategy for 3 rolls 5 rolls 12 rolls however many rolls you want.

    You can play a progression strategy
    for 3 rolls 5 rolls 12 rolls however many rolls you want

    One you will win less money with each win
    the other way you can win more money with each win

    and in either case you can choose to leave the
    same amount money at risk for the exact same number of rolls
    which either way you choose
     
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  4. tabletop123, Aug 2, 2018

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    Yep...I was one that said i wouldn't tell. Why would you want to put valuable information that could possibly kill YOUR Golden Goose on an open forum? Remember our Buddy Rick?
    Well...Rick has ALWAYS said that CERTAIN things should NOT be discussed on an open forum, & only by PM!! I know you want to save us hopeless loosers James....but I agree with Rick's statements 100%.

    Rick has ALWAYS "shot" straight with me, even though we don't talk much these days.

    Jsmes, you must remember that your stories of winning are just STORIES to other posters UNLESS you can/will authenticate them, which ( 1) you cannot/have not done, & ( 2) would NOT be wise for you to do so.
    The ONLY party that can validate your balls to the wall, Vault Assaults learn to win, or quit winning ways ARE the various casinos that you state that you are systematically robbing.
    Somehow Jame's....I don't think that's gonna happen, NOR would you want it to hapoen, & " Boston Strsngler" choke hold the shit out of your ALLEDGED winning ways.
     
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  5. twodicebilly, Aug 3, 2018

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    Couple of things.

    You indicated to me that I should just post on here and pay no attention to the bullshit
    from people like TDV.....even as he made stuff up and insulted.

    Ok I get that,,,,but then why not allow James to post and you just dont worry about it ???

    The reason I dont worry about what James says is because in the end he has to play his own
    game...win or lose.....do you really think a new player would be better encouraged by the bull shit
    TDV puts out...our the ideas James puts out ????

    I am on James side there.... period...Now mind you, I have never met James, I have never talked to
    James, I have never played with him...

    There was a time I had a problem with something James seemed to indicate...I did get on my high
    horse and questioned him....and I got a very good answer...end of that.

    I like his approach to the game, the rest is just stuff...

    As far as others saying things you dont believe....Top dont think that for one single second....I have heard
    some of the good p[layers say things I did not think were true, not even close, but they were in class situations
    or other conversations.....I dont repeat them because it is enough for me to feel I know the truth...one of the very
    best one day indicated his SRR was something like 22 and from table end it was still 12 or so. I have heard reports
    of large wins when I was at the table and saw them lose....

    Top, we more than likely are all decent guys....get on here or in general conversations we all can get carried
    away some, that's life.....yet many times you can still learn something from everyone.

    I actually think some of the conversations are getting better on here....

    tdb
     
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  6. twodicebilly, Aug 3, 2018

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    James

    There is nothing wrong with either a regression or progression system, both work in
    certain situations and both dont work if applied at the wrong time.

    TDV is found of saying it is all variance.... and he is correct, it is.

    There is the general variance the table gives, and there is variance cause by
    how well you and I shoot.. Betting systems must be paired with what we see at
    the time we are playing.

    Keshena used to have a tub with little bounce... we just killed it, rolls of 30-40 were
    common so in those situations we did bet across because we felt it was the right
    thing to do and the table limit was only $100 ( $120 on 6 & 8) so we wanted as much
    on the table as we could get.... they closed the casino to dice setting and then removed
    that table. Then allowed dice setting again but replaced the tub with a very bouncy 14 footer....
    we went back.a few times but a roll of 15
    was no longer common.....same guys...different conditions..

    tdb
     
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  7. The Midnight Skulker, Aug 3, 2018

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    "The less you bet the more you lose when you win." Heard that one many times...from dealers.
    EXACTLY! Any strategy will win if the dice do what it is betting they will do. Hence the perfect strategy: bet more when you're going to win and less, or not at all, when you're going to lose. Why it's veritable child's play. In fact J. L. Kelly, Jr., quantified it in 1956.
     
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  8. harrythewit, Aug 3, 2018

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    Hey fellow Craps players - this has been one of the best discussions since I joined the forum. Actually giving me food for thought for my betting strategy on my next trip (this coming Tuesday). Thanks!!!
     
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  9. The Midnight Skulker, Aug 3, 2018

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    Occasionally a signal does make it through the noise. If you're still hungry an article of mine on Casino City Times might be of interest to you.
     
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  10. twodicebilly, Aug 3, 2018

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    that is what a place like this should be for.....

    tdb
     
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  11. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    TDV said the same thing , my point is , he and you both
    are hawking regression as a superior bet to progression bet
    knowing that you , "WILL NOT" share such information ,
    Now knowing that sharing such information
    is not to be done the question
    must then be , WHY , knowing that you won't share better bets
    would you have people believe you are offering a better alternative
    in this case .
    Saving hopeless losers is the furthest thing from my mind
    If people are going to get on this or any forum
    seeking information , I think we should offer the best
    we have or none at all. From the moment I got on this forum
    people like TDVegas , HornHi , Demango , Liman , G
    Fred P and so on have been telling me to , Shut the "F" up
    saying , "we should not be putting this stuff out here
    If the intention is not to help why do these folks
    not just say that?
    A typical TDVegas , "DODGE" , TDV has thrown that
    lame , @$$ , dodge around now for 2 plus years
    Come show me , come do the , "BOHINK" BS
    I have been more than willing to do so
    He won't come to take a look ,
    It is much more important for him to disprove my play
    than it is for me to PROVE it
    You mentioned , "Superrick" of all the people
    on the forum , he was the only one who
    took the time and made the trip to check it out
    He posted a video of his trip to see what I was and am doing
    The rest are screaming James Hall isn't doing what he says
    If Superrick had doubts he at least
    acted on them and checked , The rest for two years
    now are still making claims they cannot prove
    COME TAKE A LOOK , I am more than happy to
    show anybody anything they want to see
    To say I won't is JUST NOT THE CASE
    Here we go again ,
    "DON"T TELL THE NOVICE PLAYERS ANYTHING"
    What , exactly is it , we are afraid of
     
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  12. TDVegas, Aug 3, 2018

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    Huh?....where have I ever said a member should not share a betting strategy?

    You're confused.

    The ONLY thing I guide a "better" or "worse" strategy by is expectation. If we exclude that from the mix...then it simply becomes a personal choice as to which is better.
     
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  13. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    On this forum many times
    I noticed , you didn't say , "I have never said that"
     
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  14. TDVegas, Aug 3, 2018

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    There is no betting strategy that overcomes house edge. Why on earth would I object to anyone sharing their own betting strategy?

    If it was a betting strategy that overcomes house edge...then I would advise someone to stay quiet. Such a betting strategy does not exist.
     
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  15. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    Some may argue with this saying but how are you supposed
    to know when you are going to win?
    The point is , when you find yourself in the midst
    of a long roll , take advantage of it , win increasingly more
    not less and NEVER EVER quit a winning roll
     
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  16. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    This is exactly the question I have been asking
    for over two years , only you know your motives.
    More of your spin to mislead . You prefer that everyone stay quiet.
    Some come closer than others , when you couple those with
    skill with the dice they can and do become a winning combination
    You seem to resent the fact that more and more people
    are coming to that realization. Only you can answer the question
    WHY?
     
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  17. tabletop123, Aug 3, 2018

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    James....what does coming to your house, & watching you toss the dice prove? That you play craps? Are a good player? That you consistently beat the Casinos? Don't make me laugh!!!

    Coming to your home & watching you toss... proves that MAYBE you have learned to toss dice in tandem.
    Does THAT make you a winner on the Casinos?
    If your intent is to validate your ALLEDGED skill level....the PROPER thing is to meet the Naysayer IN A CASINO , & THEN work your magic.
    You fly out to Atlanta, watch Top toss the dice....I toss a 32 roll hand, a 17 roll hand, & then a 14 roll hand.
    Does it mean that I do the same thing In the Casinos?

    What you do AT HOME has absolutely no bearing UNLESS it transitions over to Casino play, & YOU CAN PROVE IT with witnesses.
    You can't say: "My table has the same. Bounce characteristics as the tables I play in Vegas, so.....see what I did here at home?....It's the same thing that I do in Vegas. NOT convincingly enough. No proof!!!

    Now, you DON'T have to prove anything to anyone I mean.....YOU KNOW what you are capable of. Just don't expect people to believe you WITHOUT proof...IN THE CASINOS!!!

    Wanna convince someone that you ARE the real deal? Tell em to meet you in a Casino, & NOT at your home. Practice is a good thing if it's putting coins in your pocket. Otherwise...it's simply " Hot Air"!!!
     
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  18. tabletop123, Aug 3, 2018

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    Ugh....ya got me confused too. I NEVER said anything about NOT sharing betting strategies pn an open forum. Nor did I say that RICK was opposed to sharing betting strategies on an open forum.

    I simply said that Dice Influencing ( assuming it's advantage play) should NOT be discussed on an open forum.
    Here's a question for ya....If you were using....let's say a " Roundhouse" toss, & you, & your Mesa Vault Snatchers were robbing the Casinos at a pretty decent clip. Would you want to discuss the PARTICULARS of EXACTLY what the toss entails....on a OPEN FORUM?
    Yep...the Casinos know that people practice tossing dice at home in order to gain an advantage, but would you think the Casinos know EXACTLY HOW to Perform the toss JUST by witnessing you toss it in a Casino? Ya think they know about the intricacies of the toss?
    Call it selfish, not wanting to help people, paranoid,, etc, but if I developed/learned something that was putting a dent in the Vaults...would it make sense to come on an open forum, & say: " This is Exactly how it's done", & the Cat is out of the bag, the Casinos know, so therefore I'll go on an open forum &, give a blow by blow instruction as to HOW it's done?

    It simply doesn't make sense to do so. Goose=Golden= Killed!!!!
    Even the Little Joe Class ( not saying it works, but simply to exemplify things) wants you to sign a Non-disclosure statement before taking their class. Now, we both know that a Non-disclosure statement is a complete laughing stock..as related to Dice Influencing, but it just goes to show that people go out of their way, SOMETIMES creating ridiculous shit....wanting to protect what they feel is an advantage in the Casinos.
     
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  19. tabletop123, Aug 3, 2018

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    Ugh....ya got me confused too. I NEVER said anything about NOT sharing betting strategies pn an open forum. Nor did I say that RICK was opposed to sharing betting strategies on an open forum.

    I simply said that Dice Influencing ( assuming it's advantage play) should NOT be discussed on an open forum.
    Here's a question for ya....If you were using....let's say a " Roundhouse" toss, & you, & your Mesa Vault Snatchers were robbing the Casinos at a pretty decent clip. Would you want to discuss the PARTICULARS of EXACTLY what the toss entails....on a OPEN FORUM?
    Yep...the Casinos know that people practice tossing dice at home in order to gain an advantage, but would you think the Casinos know EXACTLY HOW to Perform the toss JUST by witnessing you toss it in a Casino? Ya think they know about the intricacies of the toss?
    Call it selfish, not wanting to help people, paranoid,, etc, but if I developed/learned something that was putting a dent in the Vaults...would it make sense to come on an open forum, & say: " This is Exactly how it's done", & the Cat is out of the bag, the Casinos know, so therefore I'll go on an open forum &, give a blow by blow instruction as to HOW it's done?

    It simply doesn't make sense to do so. Goose=Golden= Killed!!!!
    Even the Little Joe Class ( not saying it works, but simply to exemplify things) wants you to sign a Non-disclosure statement before taking their class. Now, we both know that a Non-disclosure statement is a complete laughing stock..as related to Dice Influencing, but it just goes to show that people go out of their way, SOMETIMES creating ridiculous shit....wanting to protect what they feel is an advantage in the Casinos.
     
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  20. TDVegas, Aug 3, 2018

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    Some strategies come closer to overcoming house edge than others?
    No shit.

    I never said anything about skill, reading bias dice or cheating or anything else coupled with a strategy...to overcome house edge.

    On its own....there is no strategy of betting that overcomes house edge. I encourage ALL to share the strategy they play.
     
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  21. James Hall, Aug 3, 2018

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    The point is not that I prove anything , the point
    is that there are those on this forum who have
    an insatiable need to prove that what WE do
    isn't happening Anybody at anytime can watch when
    we are on the tables in Vegas , many have

    It's not TDVegas' point to prove it doesn't work
    it is more the effort to lead others to believe it doesn't
    I don't even care if NOBODY BELIEVES
    If everybody in the world believed and had our skill
    it would not change my lifestyle in the least

    If nobody in the world ever learned to win
    I guarantee you my lifestyle would remain totally in tact

    It's not that you or TDVegas don't believe I believe you
    both do or in your case did , I think it is just
    "THE CRABS IN THE BUCKET SYNDROME" at play
    I have it by good authority that TDV was invited to
    witness , one skilled player , in a casino and
    was turned down saying , "It wouldn't prove anything
    not a large enough sample".
    Total dodge tactic
    So you are saying a person can play and consistently
    win at home but he can't take that to a casino
    and duplicate it unless witnesses see it ??

    Let me tell you what the real problems are
    1) Some people think what we do is working
    they want to learn , they are afraid to try
    they want somebody to convince them beyond any doubt

    2) Some suffer from the , "CRABS IN THE BUCKET SYNDROME"
     
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