# DI ers " Too technical?"

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1. James Hall, Jun 30, 2019

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HoleHY posted

SRR is the standard measure of how many sevens occur per 'X' number of throws; all throws are counted. Of course some shooters chose to cherry pick which rolls to include and exclude to make their claim to fame.

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OK TDVeguess liked your post so that means he agrees with your
statement , of course on the other hand he likes them all regardless
how childlike they are.

This in essence would indicate that the two of you and ,
"YOUR LITTLE GROUP" may be laboring under a different conception than
we do as it relates to SRR . Evidently from your post you are trying to determine
how many 7s you are getting per hand while those of us not of
"YOUR LITTLE GROUP" are figuring ,
"HOW MANY NUMBERS WE ROLL PER SEVEN"

I figure how many numbers I roll per 7. You guys then are actually
figuring it differently than we do and thus the confusion.

It seems that when TDVeguess says an 8 SRR meaning that eight 7s
are rolled for each number that comes up he would in fact be correct
in saying no one can do that. It would , at the very least , be difficult

Since we figure how many numbers we roll between 7s a better
Identifier for us would be , "Rolls Per Sevens Ratio (RSR) instead
of your standard (SRR) Sevens per Rolls Ratio".
I never was comfortable with SRR to begin with because it wasn't
what I was interested in charting.
I will continue charting my way and call it Rolls Per Sevens Ratio (RSR)
but understand that you are more interested in the Sevens Per Rolls figure.
It all makes sense now when TDVeguess says nobody can have an 8 SRR
(Eight Sevens Per Roll Ratio) .
Now maybe we can put that argument to rest.

I guess the conclusion
is just as I said He is charting what he needs to know figuring
his (RSR) How many rolls he gets per 7 while you want him to figure
(SRR) 7s per numbers rolled as per HornHy's post.
It seems you were not understanding what Billy was charting .
So , again we can put this conflict to rest.

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2. superricktoyou, Jun 30, 2019

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Isn't it funny that guys like those on this board know everything about someone they never met and have the nerve to call them a liar?

Maybe you all should look at what you write because you damn sure are not playing craps. All you are doing is writing about one or two guys on this board!

Wait I got that wrong it's two guys that you never met. Oh, damn it I screwed up again for some odd reason you have to keep bringing superrick into your post who no longer post here!
Maybe if the little man played real craps he could see things in a different light!

The truth of the matter is TDV, only knows how to push a button and never strays away from his beloved \$1 bubble machine. The thing that gets me is there are a few guys that have hooked their wagon to his coat tails!

Is it just because they can't think for themselves and are nothing but followers that are following the wrong person?

All of those that come to this board every day will not post because of those that love to call others names. By the way if you ever met TDV, you would find out that he is just a little man that loves to stir the pot on a subject that he knows nothing about!

When you see TDV, you will see that he is little in stature! That's why he is the little man that has allowed being little to carried over to his personality!

He knows that he wouldn't stand a chance on the real craps table because when he is losing he wouldn't be able to blame it on the guy that just pushed the button!

No, he has come up with ridiculous challenges that nobody in their right mind would take!

What different does it make to any of you what kind of SSR someone that is posting on this board has?

Do some of you pathological liars get off on just lying about someone you never met?

If you are saying that someone that you never met is a liar that makes you a pathological liar. You know nothing about what they do you haven't seen them in a casino!

Maybe TDV, should prove that he was a tennis prodigy or that he work in the game industry for over thirty years! By the way TDV, that is not done with a photo of a tennis racket! Let's see some real down to earth proof that you did all the things that you have been saying for years about all of your fantastic accomplishments!

By the way why don't you open up all of your post so the members can go back and read what you have writing in the past! What's the mater little man is it just that you don't want anybody to prove that you are lying about what you have written?

Why don't you drive down to see Jame it's not that far and it wouldn't take you hundreds of hours standing at a table trying to prove someone couldn't have a SRR of 7 or 8. I'll tell you what we can take a fast trip down in the Vette, the ride would be on me, so you wouldn't have to worry about coming up with your buy-in on your next \$1 bubble craps session!

Put your little body where your mouth is and plan a trip to see Jame that way to can say that you met him!

But then I forgot you would never put up \$10,000.00 all you are is a little man that gets his rocks off posting nothing but lies about two guys that you have never met!

You might consider what you do on this board as fun lying about others that you never met, but what I call it is just pathetic.

Do any of you other ones what to jump in I'm just standing in the wings waiting on you. Isn't it nice for guys like you to have someone that is not posting so you can try to lie about them too?

Come to think about with a show of hand how many of you have ever met superrick or seen him on a real craps table in a casino? How about TDB, or Jame Hall?

When someone writes a trip report all anyone would have to write is that it's nice to see you winning! That is where it should end, after all they are not selling anything Jame helps guys out of the kindness of his heart he does not charge anything for his time!

TDB, does not teach anything he has way to many other thing with his hunting and fishing and grand children that keeps him busy!

Isn't fun when someone cuts you down, how do you like it little man?

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3. TDVegas, Jun 30, 2019

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LOL...I'm 5-11.

Enjoy. Welcome back. They all come back.

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4. twodicebilly, Jun 30, 2019

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TDV

were questions you never even thought of asking.

that's why guys like Rick and Linaway, Frank and others ask questions, is there
anything we can do to give the player a better chance. the casino says here are
the chips if you can take them...…..

People like you give up before you even try.

TDV

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5. TDVegas, Jun 30, 2019

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I give it my best shot. I assume everyone here does the same, including you. You're not special here, Billy. Just one of the many players here.

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6. superricktoyou, Jun 30, 2019

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Maybe we should stand back to back to see who towers over you with not only height but with personality too! I don't have to cut down those you never met on a daily basis and lie about them! My offer still stands just tell me where to met you so we can drive down and met James that you lie about every day and is someone that you never met.

You saw me shooting on a real table and all you could say after your jaw dropped was nice shooting. You heard what the dealers said when you walked up to the table because they thought you were going to buy-in! They didn't want you anywhere around the table so they could make some money with the tips I was giving them!

I left that table before I bumped into you over on the bubble because of one buy-in and the dealers know that I will leave when other players buy-in and I don't play there that often!

You see when you have a decent personality the dealers will take care of you, I always make sure that the dealers are making money when I'm playing and that goes a long way to them remembering me!

So what day do you want to go see James? That way you can say that you did meet him once!

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7. twodicebilly, Jun 30, 2019

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That is exactly right, I sure as hell am not special, but I dont cut down the
work of others to make me seem that, you do.

that's why I dont like you, never will...

TDB

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8. TDVegas, Jun 30, 2019

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Welcome back, little Ricky!!

Back in the fold. Don't abandon Rick Burner. They'll miss you.

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9. TDVegas, Jun 30, 2019

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You attempt to cut down people left and right on this forum. Who are you trying to fool?

Honestly, I don't really give a rats behind who you like and don't like. I hold no personal animosity over craps disagreements, craps discussion or craps debates. That's your problem, not mine.

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10. tabletop123, Jun 30, 2019

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Well, well, well....look who's back. Its Superrick to the rescue. Lol

Let's see....where do I begin? Let's begin with Billy. We have all been down a slippery slope with Dice Influencing. The thing with Billy is that he craves attention & then gets upset when no one wants to " Acknowledge" his " work".

Remember when Billy was in a horrible slump over on your forum? Well....we all pulled him through, without judging or criticizing him.

Fast forward a few years, & now it's " All eyes on me". You know as well as I do that there will ALWAYS be a differing of opinions when it comes to influencing the dice.

To worsen matters, you've got guys like James on here telling people they are playing the wrong game, & that he plays....WHEN HE NEEDS MONEY. lol.REALLY? I guess YOU are so talented with the dice that you play when you need money, too.

The last conversation that I had with you was when you told me that you were betting Across, & that I shouldn't judge betting Across, or James...until I got to meet him.

Well, a couple of conversations before THAT, you advised to start your wagers with no more than two numbers, & to possibly spread to more numbers as the hand developed. REMEMBER THAT?

I tried to arrange a visit with " Your Highness", & he back-peddled his way out of the visit because I couldn't hop a plane, & be there in a two day's notice. Lol

Contrary to your beliefs, it's apparent that members on this forum draw their own conclusions, regardless of what TD posts. When I smell " Shit", I make it known.

There was a time when I thought that Dice Influencing was " fire". These days.....not so much. So, as Your buddy says....THAT makes me a quitter, untrained, can't do, gave up, etc ...who gives a shit?

What REALLY matters is WHAT happens IN THE CASINOS.
Due to family commitments, I haven't had the time to play regularly, but if/when I do...I guarantee ya that I won't be on here posting about how great I am.

Remember.....I did JUST THAT many moons ago, & NEWS FLASH......no one really gives a shit regarding another's exploits in the Casinos.
Talk is cheap.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you visited James, & he's the Real Deal, blah, blah, blah.

However, until I get to witness his SO-CALLED highly skilled shooting prowess.....I say he's all " Shits & Giggles", & prone to " Wiggle", & back-peddle.

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11. James Hall, Jul 1, 2019

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Well , "YOUR LOWNESS" Still playing the same song and dance.
"I challenged James and said I would bring \$10,000"
He accepted with a location and a date but I didn't want to
do it then , so I didn't go , now he's being mean to me.
He's calling me a , "NO SHOW , it ain't fair".
Come on Tabletoper you said it yourself , You said
you made the challenge hoping I would refuse. That didn't happen
now you are embarrassed.
Besides it wasn't a VISIT you suggested it was a CHALLENGE you
were hoping I would refuse.
People like some in , "YOUR LITTLE GROUP" have played for years
even decades continually losing money , if that's not the wrong game
YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU WOULD CALL IT.
Some in , "YOUR LITTLE GROUP" say ,
"YOU CAN'T EXPECT TO WIN AT BANK CRAPS".
They have accepted defeat before they even start.
Why wold such a person , EVEN THINK ABOUT PLAYING

I've got a better idea Why don't you hold your negative
you have never seen or met until you get to ,
"Witness their SO-CALLED highly skilled shooting prowess".
Then you can share what you know instead of all the made up
everybody you disagree with. That would be the proper thing to do.
Again BUB the back peddling was you're doing. You are the
"Shits & Giggles guy. You screwed up you made a challenge you
thought I would never accept I did you were stuck and you , "CRAWFISHED"
Blaming me for your screw up ain't gonna hack it.
You can now be MR. Wiggles or you can call of the attacks.
Not one of your statements have ANY BASIS IN FACT.

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12. James Hall, Jul 1, 2019

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This would be a very accurate description of TDVegas .
You claim that , it isn't true.
REALLY????

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This is Barney

Welcomes back Mr Supperick. Are you the nice or the asshole Supperick? You cunt make this shits up.

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16. superricktoyou, Jul 1, 2019

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I see that you must be trying to learn something about craps and have been reading my FaceBook group "Vegas Craps Players Association" sorry to tell you this but no one would put up with you there!

So you can just hide behind your computer and learn something about the game of craps but don't post! Maybe if you have been reading what the group has to say about craps you're now winning more than a dollar at a time!

Your next step to winning would be to take that drive down to see James, then maybe if you listen to what he has to say you can win on the real craps table, but Oh, wait, I forgot you would never spend any time trying to improve your game all you know is push the button!

Have ever even tried to stop by the library on Sahara, at 9600 W Sahara Ave, you know that you don't even need to buy any book on craps you can check them out there?
But that might be a little over your head, just stay with push the button!

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17. twodicebilly, Jul 1, 2019

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I dont have any earthly idea why I am explain this to you, but I will one more time.

There are two items that several years i was testing..

1.....is there a difference between the number of rolls I average in one casino
as compared to another with either the GTC shot or the LJ shot.

2 what is the difference between the number of rolls with one set as
compared to another.

The SRR is a poor indicator of if you are going to win or lose because it
does not record how effective the numbers you were, were they craps numbers
one day and box numbers the next...…..But it is a good indicator in comparing
your play at different casinos. I did that for two years....I have not done that for
over a year now because I know where I should play and where I wont play. that
had made a big difference. The SRR can be calculated from, that data because
all the rolls are counted. Trip reports are based on that.

2

This is where the data is controlled and it has to be because you are trying to
determine which set to use at the table when you are playing...If I get to a table
and throw a 4, 5 6 7 (6/1) that is 5 shots first hand, second hand is 8,6,7(6/1)
that is 4 for the second hand....if on the come out roll is get a 2, then 7 (6/1)
I am changing sets right there.....so after the set change I get a 8,6,5,2,3,8,9 7
that is 8 shots after the set change...the next hand I get a 3.11.5.5.9.4.5.9 7 , that
is 9 shots including the seven.
It is apparent the second set is working better than the first and that set is what
I am going to play with.

The only time any numbers are not counted is in a hand where the set change is made
during the come out roll, that may happen 1 time a night, it may not happen at all that night.
This nonsense about SRR that TSV has been mulling over in his head is complete
garbage, 100% because the sevens are counted in every other roll, and in fact if
in that one hand you had a 2,2,11,7 and then a set change the seven was not the only
number not included. You take an entire three-four week trip and make a set change during
the come out roll 2-3 times, it has not affect on the SRR for that trip.

Now if you want to beat the table, this was important stuff, it made the difference between
me winning or losing...to TDV this was just a joke.On a three week trip with 1500
rolls and you had 187 sevens or 189 sevens the difference is between 8.02 and 7.94
SRR.

TDB

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18. superricktoyou, Jul 1, 2019

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No, I'm not the asshole that has to use others avatars to try to get a sick laugh out of the rest of the jerks on this board. Your not even funny in your sick way of posting!

But sometimes I do have to laugh at what you write, there I admitted it.

The thing that gets me is you have been around on the boards why not try a differntapproach to what you write and help some of these guys out they need all the help they can get!

You guys love to disrespect every woman on the planet, I'm sure that the asshole from Long Island wife would love to hear what he call others! Does she fall into that category too?

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19. twodicebilly, Jul 1, 2019

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thanks for posting that video, I had not seen that for years and you are
more than likely the only other person that has seen it.

My wife was holding the cell phone.

TDB

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20. superricktoyou, Jul 1, 2019

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TDB, you know that the sad thing about all of these guys that don't know you is that they don't know what you do as a living! Even though you are semi-retired and still doing it because they are just throwing money at you because you are so good at math!

Maybe one day you might want to enlighten the member here about your business that allows you to do all the things that you do on a daily basis!

But then they would only say that you shouldn't be working if you're so good at craps, and should be a millionaire by just playing craps!

Yea, we have all heard that story a few times before with the great madprofessor and all of the fiction that he wrote everyday hiding behind his computer, that I proved many times over that he was just a great fiction writer!

The casinos do not like winners and will 86 you if you are beating them, hell they are in business to make money not hand it out like an ATM!

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