I prefer action over math......craps without action is like popcorn without salt......not that great.............I must say tt123 , if a newish player would read your statement and mine....I'd tell him to listen to you, not me.............your guy would always be be driving 60 in a 65 mph zone and die at 100 in his sleep......my guy would...to quote Hunter Thompson..... “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!”...... I guess that's the beauty of craps....it allows all type players to express their inner self ....what their make-up is.....how they think.....they can be themselves, their real selves......the guy that looks like a banker can be a cowboy and visa-versa.....whether you are a true gentleman, a phony, courageous, cautious, a little crazy, disciplined, .....it all comes out......maybe that's one reason the game has lasted so long.......that and being able to make 27,000 dollars betting one dollar, with 3 rolls of the dice. 777
Good stuff from the DI point of view. TT123 comes up with the best signature numbers. DeMango lists all the wagers to use to clean house for the shooter who is better than random at ending in 6, 7 and 8, although the six itself ain't uptown, and his comment seems more related to the six face of the die than to producing Top's 3 numbers. At 44.4%, these 3 results make up damn near half of all possible dice outcomes. Here comes the loaded question. How the hell do we get better than 44.4% results? Of course I understand the theory: Practice, determine best starting set, determine the best location. Throw a hell of a lot of tosses. Record results, this one possibly being most important. Even if we find a set and delivery that shows us something like 46% 6's, 7's and 8's, as DM says, we talking practice, we talking practice. With my luck, doing anything at the table other than playing like a fricking scared, one bet newbie, I'd be shooting for middle range and producing nothing but craps and outsides. This is primarily why I do not practice shooting. Another reason is I don't believe in practicing what I consider a random event, and thirdly, I'm pretty fucking lazy. Going out onto a limb, I'd probably use the 3V, thinking more sevens come from there than anywhere? DM ? Top?
3V in theory produces more 6&8’s, less 7’s since only two 7’s are on axis, 3/4,4/3. You are correct about home practice. Results after landing will never mimic results at a real table. So then what do we practice? Our toss, attempting mirrored flights of dice, lowered energy and similar landings to a spot. A new grip perchance. At a real table we must measure results and make adjustments based on a sizable set of results. Since no one does this except for a very few, the casinos no longer, for the most part, worry about wanna be di’s.
What Demango said!!!! Dice Influencing is all theoretical. The 3V should produce more 6 & 8's, but of course.....it certainly doesn't always work out that way. In regards to home practice....the numbers obtained during practice means nothing UNLESS your home table bounce characteristics are the same as the Casino tables. How likely is THAT? As Demango said....home practice is solely for keeping your dice flying tightly in formation, & hitting the same landing zone without much roll-out. Everyone that practices tossing the dice the same way will most likely garner different results, because we all have different toss mechanics. One thing that I have observed, & it seems to run rampant with most of the shooters that I have personally witnessed trying to influence the roll.....It is very seldom that you get primary hits from the two numbers that you set for on top of your dice set. This is why I NEVER put the numbers I am trying to hit on Top of the dice set. Dice Influencing is a fickle bitch. Its almost as if you have to NOT set for the number/s that you are trying to toss, & somehow.....they magically appear. Lol The perfect example is when you see a shooter using the All Sevens set, & can't toss a Seven to save his life!!! Lol
Hopefully, there are Dice Influencers that fare much better than Old Top. My opinion ( due to MY INABILITY to consistently influence the dice) of Dice Influencing has changed drastically over the years. I actually categorize it as " Mechanical Tossing", or " Rhythm Rolling". Nothing more, nothing less!!! Perhaps I need a Refresher course you say? Not in a million years. Better things to spend my money on. To all of the successful Dice Influencers.....CONGRATULATIONS, & keep getting the $$$$$.
The latter is Scoblete's term, which originally was applied to anyone shooting well but later "refined" to limit its application to those consciously trying to influence the results. A poster with the handle "ausound" came up with the term "precision shooting" in The Before Time and the rest of the regulars accepted it, while noting it was a bit precocious.
Would that only pertain to the person tossing? Regardless of mechanics....how do I know (or someone else) what the conscious intent is? Maybe he just likes to "style"....?
Why did Alan Shank stop posting? His "Perfect 1980" described above is priceless. All the math I need to know.
No objective criteria was ever presented for such a classification by an observer. AFAIK it was first used when describing The Captain's 5-Count. That method was designed to identify possible rhythmic rollers, those shooters who, at that particular table and at that particular time, were capable of achieving favorable results regardless of the source of their power: skill, divine intervention, alignment of Circadian Rhythms, interaction of their aura with those of the crew and other players, good weed consumed by the shooter (or the observer), the list is endless. IIRC it was only after the formation of GTC that the list was narrowed down to include only skill.
