Craps- Primer for Professionals

Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by SevenOut, Dec 12, 2017.

  1. lone irish digit, Dec 14, 2017

    lone irish digit

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2015
    Messages:
    2,956
    Likes Received:
    2,947
    That blogger has no credibility as shown in his writing. I will explain later after I get back from my forthcoming trip to Vegas.
     
    #21
  2. lone irish digit, Dec 14, 2017

    lone irish digit

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2015
    Messages:
    2,956
    Likes Received:
    2,947
    Anyone who uses a Duh in his blog/post can not be believed.
     
    #22
    yacraps and DeMango like this.
  3. TDVegas, Dec 14, 2017

    TDVegas

    TDVegas Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2014
    Messages:
    13,408
    Likes Received:
    6,465
    If someone wants to attempt DI and or pay someone to teach them...or take a class?

    It's their money. There seems to be some camaraderie among the DI players. Friendship, etc.

    There is nothing wrong with this and if it leads to making an enjoyable experience...have at it.

    I would certainly not go overboard on spending, tune ups, after glow, etc....and truth be told if there was an actual accounting of "Am I doing better than before?"....Some will likely say yes and some will say no...ergo some saw luck and some didn't?
     
    #23
    yacraps likes this.

  4. Liman

    Liman Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2013
    Messages:
    6,957
    Likes Received:
    4,786
    someone on crapspit writes an article, eh.

    Ive been saying here since I joined, look at the luxurious casinos, the staff, the supplies, casinos are a for profit corporation, and profit comes from gaming. And craps is a big money maker for them.
    the day they feel people can beat the game, is the day it disappears forever, or the bubbles become the only choice.

    who doesn't know what the vegas lifestyle is for many.

    they sell their homes back east, make a killing on them, got pensions, social security, cost of living in Nevada is way, way less , no state income tax, real estate taxes are nothing compared to other places, so off they go to vegas and then they are gambling experts.
    what most fail to mention is how they go bust and go thru all those savings and then just live off the pension and ss payments,
    And that's the vegas life.
    Its clear when you go visit any casino in Henderson or boulder city. They are being supported by locals, the pension and ss money is paying the salaries. if one doesn't think so, well, just another unrealistic person.
     
    #24
    yacraps likes this.
  5. SevenOut, Dec 14, 2017

    SevenOut

    SevenOut Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2012
    Messages:
    2,026
    Likes Received:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    89005
    There are NO Casinos in Boulder City, Nevada by city statute. Old People are protected, unless they can ride the public bus to Railroad Pass which is just outside the City Limits. Hoover Dam Lodge is on the other side of Boulder City. There are more exotic cars, motorcycles and collectable vehicles driving around Boulder City as your chance of it being stolen is almost nill in this quiet little town with plenty of cops to make it so.

    Downtown Boulder City parking is a Car Show every weekend. Bikers can park on the curb, sidewalks if space permits... day or night.

    Liman understands WHY retired people move to Nevada.

    No State Income Taxes, but Real Estate Taxes are higher, Vehicle and RV taxes are higher, Sales Tax is higher... so they do make it up if you consume and spend. The price per square foot for a home is a mansion in Iowa, prices. A $1,000,000 home can be cramped quarters compared, even to Colorado.

    But... as I watch the traffic coming through Boulder City, 24 hours a day... business is good. As you watch the air traffic coming into Las Vegas... business is good. There are plenty of jobs available in the 'hospitality end of the Casino business'. Also suppliers, maintenance, etc.

    The Casino's in Henderson, mostly Stations Casino brand, take very good care of the local customer. Client's, that is. The grey hairs, myself included, will take the Casino's offers to play at the Video Poker and Slot machines, as well as any free or discounted offers, maximizing the benefits. No one is crying among us.

    The hustlers come to Reno and Las Vegas believing the 'chumps' are lining up to be taken is mistaken association with gambling. They are more likely to defraud one another, not the Locals, who are all on top of this. Those coming into town by bus, car, recreational vehicle or plane know in advance what they are coming to do. Even for enhanced DI classes, if they choose.

    Railroad Pass outside Boulder City has an offer of $10 free cash, each day, on slot/poker play, since mid October and may extend into January. You can buy a Craps Odds Card and get chips and an extra $5 chip for promotion. There are not many who seem to have taken this offer up, as you would expect the Casino to be full. I would like to see the numbers, but maybe that will come out once the promotion is over. It is due to Interstate 11 construction and Highway 93 and 95 arteries into Las Vegas being built right outside their Casino. The construction has directly hurt them as even the Parking Lot changes shape daily from limited to more limited parking.

    The majority of the money is coming from outside Nevada. California is the largest drive/fly in and out, while the retired folks in Idaho, Utah and Arizona. Boulder City handles the Arizona and some California traffic from Highways 95 and 93. The locals can play when they want, any time, any place and after awhile it does not matter if you go to a Show and just pass up any games of chance. I discovered that immediately. I do not care...
     
    #25
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2017
  6. von duck, Dec 14, 2017

    von duck

    von duck Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Messages:
    6,123
    Likes Received:
    1,778
    Gender:
    Male
    A 12 year old? Yeah, if MR Hall could be twelve again. Who better to certify craps expertise, than "Baron Von Duck" craps Guru? It's only 5 hours by car, less than 2 hours in the Bonanza. How old is monopoly, anyway? Your actually right about the squawking thing, but that had to be random, dumb luck. :)
     
    #26
  7. SevenOut, Dec 14, 2017

    SevenOut

    SevenOut Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2012
    Messages:
    2,026
    Likes Received:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    89005
    *****
    My 11 year old daughter played Craps at a 12 foot table in our home basement. We had to use pennies for $1, nickels for $5, quarters for $25 chips, as it was just delivered and set up. The older daughter had no interest. When she turned 21, she played on a Riverboat at Saint Louis, Missouri, while attending the University of Missouri in Columbia. Lost her $100... and never played again.

    She learned well. Losing hard earned $100 was a better lesson. She will never become a Craps or Gambling addict. A cheap price to pay for a lifetime... cure.
     
    #27
  8. Onautopilot, Dec 14, 2017

    Onautopilot

    Onautopilot Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2015
    Messages:
    9,405
    Likes Received:
    6,518
    Gender:
    Male
    Why some people attack a dealer, or past dealer, I don't understand. When I was dealing, it was a job, a pretty good job at that......if you are in the right venue you can do well.

    Dealing would not be my lifetime occupation choice, but it certainly served a purpose for me back then.

    So, take my dealing experience, and over 50 years of playing the game, and I'll match my knowledge of the game of bank craps up against any of the "gurus" on here that are trying to sell themselves as the "Know it all" advantage player...a non existent entity when discussing bank craps!
     
    #28
  9. HornHiYo, Dec 14, 2017

    HornHiYo

    HornHiYo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2015
    Messages:
    2,419
    Likes Received:
    1,406
    Addenda:
    Budget Training:
    Or wear a big cowboy hat, and tell everyone you own a Cessna.
     
    #29
    yacraps likes this.

  10. Liman

    Liman Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2013
    Messages:
    6,957
    Likes Received:
    4,786

    most craps players are unhappy losers. they need to blame someone for their bad fortune.

    Ive come across some shitty miserable dealers also. Only thing a miserable dealer does is make it easy for the player to decide how much to tip if hes on a nice run..............................................................nothing.
     
    #30
    yacraps and Onautopilot like this.
  11. $nakeEye$, Dec 14, 2017

    $nakeEye$

    $nakeEye$ Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    3,937
    Likes Received:
    921
    I have a sneaky suspicion that as soon as the new under construction Route 11 Bypass around Boulder City is opened up -

    All will see a marked difference in the amount of traffic coming into Boulder City -


    As you know, the bypass begins on the North end at the 215 and ends on the South end at the Hoover Dam -


    Railroad Pass casino will also be greatly and detrimentally impacted by this new road -

    Unless a designated exit is made to accommodate them specifically.


    $...eE..$
     
    #31
    yacraps likes this.
  12. SevenOut, Dec 14, 2017

    SevenOut

    SevenOut Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2012
    Messages:
    2,026
    Likes Received:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    89005
    Post #31. Actually Interstate 11, Highway 93 and Highway 95 all intersect at... Railroad Pass Casino. They have added a Truck Stop and Automobile Service Station, finished a large parking lot on the south side and a large convenience store. For them, I wish them well looking for all of this to fall in place. We will see.

    The merchants in Boulder City are in a bit of denial. The 99% of traffic traveling through the western part of town do not stop, but they think it will hurt business. It will reduce traffic by 90% and only those who wanted to stop, visit Boulder City and Hoover Dam... will be the traffic.

    This is a big win for the community and the 18 wheelers, trailers in tow and traffic heading back to Arizona can bypass the long way around.

    There is a dedicated exit for the Casino off the I-11 Interstate. The Casino also is having property returned to them that was Highways 93 and 95 from the 1930's. By next year we will know how all of this works out. From my experiences with I-70 through western Missouri, and Highway 71 detouring traffic away from town centers... it was the best thing that happened in the late 1960's. The 'old people' who think old can be difficult to understand, but change is here and will be completed in 2018.
     
    #32
    yacraps and TDVegas like this.
  13. SevenOut, Dec 14, 2017

    SevenOut

    SevenOut Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2012
    Messages:
    2,026
    Likes Received:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    89005
    *****

    Dealers that did not get into management, eventually drop off and find some other occupation. I had a Roulette dealer and Blackjack dealer, husband and wife, who dealt at the El Cortez, Downtown Las Vegas in the 1970's train the blackjack and roulette dealers for the shop outside Kansas City, Missouri. Today... you would not believe what the Cortez looked in the 1980's, and what you see today is amazing!

    The top dealers end up at the large Casinos, like those on the Strip. The tips are generous at times and many spend a life time dealing, becoming management... if they wanted. Not everyone wants to manage, anything.

    Craps is the training that if someone wanted to wander the country to deal Craps... and you are good, you had a job.

    It takes a different personality type to be a professional dealer. You will recognize it immediately, when OAP or I see and watch. It is not for everyone. Myself, not. But for an adventurous soul seeking adventure... it was worth the time and effort. Today, I can follow the dealer(s) at the table and watch an 'excellent dealer' as it is like a ballet... take, pay, place. Take, pay, place.
     
    #33
    yacraps and Onautopilot like this.
  14. $nakeEye$, Dec 14, 2017

    $nakeEye$

    $nakeEye$ Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    3,937
    Likes Received:
    921
    Post #32. When we were there about two weeks ago the area was a total mess-

    To reach Railroad Pass Casino from I-93/ 95 South you had to exit at I-95, make a U-turn , then come back North on I 93 / 95 .


    The exit turn at the traffic light from I 93 / 95 South at Railroad Pass was barricaded off, as the traffic light was also removed.

    I did notice of what you speak of regarding the additional expansion at the South end of Railroad Pass's parking lot.


    I will have to investigate their " Fire Bet " - I do suspect that it pays at a much reduced rate similar to ESC -

    Where payouts begin at 3 points made and cap out at much less than the $1,000 to $1 that the Strip pays !

    $...eE..$
     
    #34
    yacraps likes this.
  15. TDVegas, Dec 14, 2017

    TDVegas

    TDVegas Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2014
    Messages:
    13,408
    Likes Received:
    6,465
    This is something that needed to be done. Boulder City is a quaint town. The restaurant/shopping district is very nice. I always stop in to the candy shop for some peanut brittle and a few chocolate turtles. The Boulder Dam Brewey is aces. The hotel. The movie theater. The gift shops.

    The 18 wheelers need to go. This bypass should solve a lot of the congestion and noise issues. I would really like to see them develop the rest of the main thoroughfare as Nevada Way was done (median, palm trees, etc)
     
    #35
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2017
    yacraps likes this.
  16. $nakeEye$, Dec 14, 2017

    $nakeEye$

    $nakeEye$ Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    3,937
    Likes Received:
    921
    ONLY problem is -

    The 18 Wheelers also supply the larger stores in the downtown district -

    Albertson's in particular which is situated where I 93 turns for NS to EW at the traffic light -

    Also, most other businesses depend on supply deliveries on an almost bi-weekly basis -

    TIME will TELL if the I 11 re-route is a blessing for Boulder City -

    OR - an albatross around its' neck !

    $...eE..$
     
    #36
    yacraps likes this.
  17. TDVegas, Dec 14, 2017

    TDVegas

    TDVegas Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2014
    Messages:
    13,408
    Likes Received:
    6,465
    Some are saying it will be good for the city...others not. Most definitely the "details" or "issues" that arise from the bypass will need ironing out as they present themselves....if they can be ironed out.

    As stated, this will likely be a "we will see" what the future bears (bares) out situation.

    I suspect in the end...some will be happy, some not. Hopefully the former rules the day. Time will tell.
     
    #37
    yacraps likes this.
  18. $nakeEye$, Dec 14, 2017

    $nakeEye$

    $nakeEye$ Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    3,937
    Likes Received:
    921
    Funny thing is that ALL the times we have traveled THRU Boulder City -

    In MY estimation - traffic - was NOT an issue -

    Even with truck traffic - the WORST CASE scenario that we encountered -

    Was to sit thru THREE traffic light changes while traveling South form LV / Henderson to Hoover Dam / Arizona !


    There is MUCH MORE congestion attempting to cross LV Boulevard either on Tropicana or Flamingo -

    Regardless which direction one travels !


    NEVER had ANY problem traveling North from Hoover Dam thru Boulder City as there is a turn lane always open regardless of the traffic light color !


    $...eE..$
     
    #38
    yacraps likes this.
  19. SevenOut, Dec 15, 2017

    SevenOut

    SevenOut Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2012
    Messages:
    2,026
    Likes Received:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    89005
    If one observes the advantages of the changes from a different point of view, this is the time to move to Boulder City. We did several years ago. If you do not look into the future, you will forever relive the past. This also applies to this Thread.

    I am up before sunrise, every day. There is plenty to do.

    I have come full circle on the subject of Craps. Much like trying to convert an Alcoholic, who believes if he drinks some other brand, he will feel better... it applies to Craps Addicts, who believe there is a better, easier way, to lose. There is no better way. Only worse decisions than the previous ones already forgotten.

    I cashed in my $5 chip from my Stations' $5 table game ticket, intended to get me back onto the Craps Table. It worked on one roll for even money on the Field. I was given a $5 chip and took it to the Cashier and did not look back.

    I have to admit that there will always be new Forum members with ideas of making a living or becoming net positive playing Craps. They all talk the same talk and deaf. These players need to be concerned less with winning, but more concerned about not losing. I discovered that the Casino side of the Craps Table also have high costs... the overhead. The Casino's profit margin is tight, but consistent.

    There is nothing left for me to discuss on the Forum. The deaf cannot hear, and those who hear are blind to reality. I have seen it thorough both sides of Craps. I see and hear Craps. Craps now has begun to... smell, and time to take six months to show it can be done.

    I hope some discussions have provided a different view to consider. When you reach that level of competency, you will also leave. A true Professional will understand. One cannot beat a dead horse to move, and one cannot teach those who do not want to learn.

    It has come full circle, again. The view is the same. Nothing has changed.
     
    #39

  20. Liman

    Liman Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2013
    Messages:
    6,957
    Likes Received:
    4,786



    Yeah not sure I don’t know town and city lines or borders out there I meant along the boulder highway area cannery ,sams town over that area



    Seven out-real estate taxes are higher?

    I have a tiny 1500’sqnfoot house on a 50x105 foot piece of land and I pay 8500 in taxes(school and real estate. )
    I didn’t think Nevada comes anywhere close to that but I don’t know never looked into it
     
    #40