Craps Player's Brain on Dopamine

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  1. SevenOut, Apr 3, 2019

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    Craps Player’s Brain on Dopamine

    Craps is an adult’s diversion. Much like adolescents on Video Games... an addiction to the brain’s production of stimulants. Once exposed, many Craps Players are addicted to participating no matter the cost.

    Follow some Forum Members posts. Especially the Dice Influencing Threads. There is not only a Dopamine high discussing Craps, but substitutes the desire to actually play Craps at a Casino.

    An increase in the heart's pulse rate. A high in mental stimulation to promote one's ideas to readers. A true addiction at its... worse.

    The risk and rewards affect everyone differently. Some it is a true addiction. Others find it as a recreation and can go onto something else easily. Risky behavior has its rewards, but over the long term risks. Personalities become aggressive and supportive of others sharing common traits of gaming addiction.

    Craps Dealers are an example of dealing at a table and have a resistence to actually participating as a Player, risking their money. Many go on to writing books ABOUT Craps, but not actually play. An alternative high when books are sold. This addiction has become a positive choice and an alternative to actually playing Craps.

    What is your opinion? Mine is from being a Player, a Dealer and then an Observer. It is obvious to me. Can you resist temptation or prefer to gloss over this idea and go back to producting dopamine to stimulate your fantasy of easy money without working?
     
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  2. KokomoJoe4, Apr 3, 2019

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    Of course gambling exists because most seem to enjoy the possibility for a big win while socializing in a casino.

    Every advertisement made by a casino ends with the "if you are a problem gambler call this number" because the casino's can get sued if they do not advise us about the potential for problems/addiction to gambling. :confused:

    It is exciting to win money. The more the merrier. What does this have to do with neurotransmitters?
     
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    You have a medical degree, and you don't know about certain activities, and how they cause your brain to release, certain chemicals? :confused: I don't think it would be possible. :cool:
     
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    Lol.
     
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    maybe that explains it.

    Im on a drug that releases dopamine, must be taken in the morning first thing after you wake up since that's when the brains production of dopamine is the least.

    for some unknown reason, dopamine stimulates insulin production to help level out sugar levels in diabetics.

    now I know why Im so gung ho when it comes to gaming.

    That fucking endocrinologist, next time he asks me for his copay, Im going to tell him he owes me 3 grand for all the times I lose due to his dopamine releasing regimen.
     
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  6. SevenOut, Apr 4, 2019

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    Liman... probably helps your Craps Game, as well when you toss the dice off the table so frequently, that a fresh stick of five replacements are waiting for you to quit playing.

    A second bit of Dopamine options for the Craps Degenerates.

    Does 396, 427, 428, 429 ring a dopamine bell? I find that many Craps Dopamine lovers can substitute gambling with automobiles. The dopamine rush when hot rodding is also an alternative. These are late 1960's and 1970's numbers...

    Have you watched some Video Poker players who believe that the buttons on the machine are built to withstand pounding and electronic abuse? Many cracked buttons and LED's that are not working in the increase of dopamine levels.

    At least the vintage mechanical slot machine, since the handle needed much more energy to pull and engage the multitude of springs that needed to be stretched wore out players. Many Casinos changed the shorter handles with a long gear shift knob handle to keep the dopamine flowing. Have to keep the cash flowing.

    Today, large buttons on electronic slot machines activate slot play gives an outlet to those older players who have trouble lifting a $20 bill to insert into the thin portal to accept currency. The dopamine is needed to use the debit card to retrieve more cash from the common money laundering machines in the Casino.

    Anyone who promotes Craps, providing questionable skill sets to solve the world's poverty, is having withdrawal symptoms from Craps action. Those who fall for this are seeking better dopamine solutions to an otherwise boring existence.

    As you can tell I am at a dopamine bottoming out. I have no need to participate at a Craps Table. At my age, I am just happy to wake up in the morning.
     
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    I believe people who are trying to churn out a 100 dollar win by grinding out 3 hours of play on a 3 dollar table are addicts.

    guys who pull a 25 thousand dollar marker are not addicts, but enjoy the dopamine rush it gives them They can afford to pay for it. they already have the exotic cars, all the women they want, anything else that they desire, but nothing can give them that rush like that table does. that's what keeps casinos alive and well. The rush of the unknown, although a lot of people would state, no sir, we know what will happen eventually. Those 300 dollar buy in guys don't want to admit it, their addiction wont let them. in my opinion, that why di classes, system classes or sales, can do ok, the addicts need other avenues to explore to hope for victory in the end, or wish for it. Everyone wants to win, but some multi millionaire losing 6 grand in an hour is less concerned than the guy losing 200 of his 300 dollar bankroll.
     
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  8. eagleeye2, Apr 4, 2019

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    Come On Liman,

    Don't be so Hard on the DON'T Players...

    eagleeye2
     
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  9. SevenOut, Apr 4, 2019

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    Misery loves company...

    Two tables were open. One was packed, close to ten players, at least. The other table... empty, yet the three dealers were rotating as routine requires.

    There were several long rolls. Lots of Box Numbers, yet minimal wagers and one guy was running wagers through the Come and ended up with a Front Line and five box numbers. Most of any wins were lost from covering everything and having no decision in which were a better choice.

    I have never understood the poor wagering of those wanting to leave with a dopamine high after... losing. Not because good box numbers were being tossed, but the poor wagering.

    What makes a good Session of Wagering? You do not know until the session is over and you make a chip count. Just some game plans make more sense if one is expecting fewer paying outcomes per shooter.

    I can compare this mentality to an inexperienced video poker player. They hold the wrong cards for the wrong reasons.

    At least, and I admit my prejudiced opinions from a lack of exposure to Dice Setting with Ability. There would be a more positive feeling after giving a Craps Session your best. Although I have seen chuckers getting long rolls and Seven Out, missing the box numbers and repeats, over and over.

    We all, even Eagleeye2, judge others from OUR experiences at the table. That is fair, but most never discuss HOW they play. It ends up criticizing other player's and how they play, but not explaining why some other options may improve one's game plan. Even though most players have NO game plan. It is just the faster pulse, cold hands and tension of risking too much on the table without any understanding of what is happening after a win and before altering your wagers, up or down, or calling them down.

    There is more to learn by watching a few Sessions. Not by playing. You are then too concerned with your own wagers to watch others.

    My dopamine high... after getting a free bottle of wine for giving up as little of my Bankroll as possible.
     
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  10. Bases loaded, Apr 4, 2019

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    Bases loaded!!
     
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  11. SevenOut, Apr 4, 2019

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    I have a book to give you the... ability. I actually have a number of them. Printed in 1990 ISBN 0-8069-7398-6.

    Contents:
    1. Using this book. Developing your skill.
    2. A practical Introduction extending your senses
    3. Make yourself comfortable. Variations on a theme. Mind Games.
    4. The Styles of Use.
    5. Using the V-Rod. Using the W-Rod. The Best Instrument of all.
    6. Putting it to use. Apply yourself. Meet the Joker. Watching yourself.
    7. Trust your senses.
    8. Hide and Seek
    9. Greater Toolkit. Getting unstuck.
    10. It's all co-incidence.
    11. Test of Skill. The real world. A real test of skill

    These are the 11 chapters and there are 114 Exercises to develop... your skill.

    The title: The Dowser's Workbook- Understanding and Using the Power of Dowsing by Tom Graves.

    My opinion would be develop your Dowsing skills and it will be an easy move over to Dice Influencing. It is all a matter of power over mind, and developing... the ability.
     
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  12. The Comeback Kid, Apr 5, 2019

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    Thanks for the post, but that's a Serotonin high (the pride chemical). The dopamine (addiction chemical) comes when you actually drink the wine.
    Spoken with all of the Oxytocin (love chemical) I can muster at this time in the morning.
    PS: It's an ironic thing. You go for your dopamine fix, 'cause you wanna feel good. Things go your way. You win some numbers & receive a flush of Serotonin, on top of the dopamine. Wow, double wammy this is really good. You wanna keep it going & then oppsi - lose it all on the 7-out - boom, your body is flooded with Endorphins (the pain masking chemical).

    Until you get home with an empty wallet & realize wtf happened & receive a massive dump of Cortisol (the high stress, fight or flight chemical), & vow to be smarter next time & do it differently. It's a rare bird who can maintain control, but more often than not, we're at the mercy of these powerful chemicals. You think the Casinos don't know what's happening? Think again...

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  13. twodicebilly, Apr 5, 2019

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    you indicated this …..At least, and I admit my prejudiced opinions from a lack of exposure to Dice Setting with Ability.

    If you actually watch people play a lot. by that I mean the same player.....you see they do get into patterns, now I admit
    they are betting patterns , but patterns non the less.
    The only difference between their patterns and that of a guy that has practiced his shot a lot and has done some work
    with the sets and results of the shot, is that the guy that practices has a pattern of shooting and betting based on his
    practice results, it is not just a habit.

    When I get to a table I have played before on, I know the shot I am going to use and the set, most times I know
    if I have to change sets, I know ahead of times which I will change to.

    This is also a pattern, but not one you can see because cant see the sets....You may see a shooter being consistent
    and all of a sudden he changes where his dice are landing, you more than likely did not notice, many players are all over
    the table.....but a seasoned shooter may do that add to or take away revolutions of the dice...case in point would be
    an on axis shooter using the hardway set and going down the line and getting 3/4 4/3 3/4 by shooting into the flat portion
    of the hook you added a little more dice rotation before the dice hit the table.

    If I start with a 6/4 4/6 set the axial rotation is around the 2/5 5/2....if I get the 6/1 1/6 seven to much and short roll or rolls
    I rotate the dice so now axial rotation is around the 1/6 2/5 and so forth. Your not changing sets just to change them, your
    saying if the dice do what they have been doing, I will get a different result.

    Every shooter has good rolls and bad rolls , you watch one guy with a 6 SRR for half hour and then another with an 8
    you wont even see a difference...yet that difference is hugh.

    that's why arguing about this stuff makes no sense because the only person that knows for sure is the guy that takes
    money home a little more often than you are supposed to.

    TDB
     
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  14. SevenOut, Apr 5, 2019

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    TDB... excellent.

    I do watch those who SET. I do notice the same person will change their SET. Those I have watched retain the same wagering System. On most occasions I will see the first die being set and the second is usually behind the index finger, so I look for clues.

    What is less obvious is the Toss. I see the shooter is setting and the toss is not what I would expect to a controlled shot. You and I would notice the difference. My suspicion is that the dice may be set, but from that point to the outcome... their is little attempt to... control.

    But... we are in agreement. The arguing is not to WHY, but for many setting there is no explanation for sets or rotating of sets for outcomes.

    I have found long rolls by Dice Chuckers that defy statistics. I have yet to watch a DI or equivalent to produce a tight grouping out outcomes or wager on those seen.

    Probably like fly fishermen. They may know how to throw the line and fly... but it is the 'outcome' that varies with experience to the most experienced on that piece of river. Much like tossing dice on various surfaces of a table.

    I advise that Craps Players take a deep breath and WATCH for twenty minutes at a busy table. Let others educate with their System at work for your own judgment. I see few long term players at a table consistently winning, other than those playing the Don't Pass. Even then... the Don't Pass only player gets hammered with a series of Front Line Winners.

    So far... Craps is random and if anyone can consistently throw a tight group of outcomes... I have yet to see anything that has had a pattern over a long period of play.

    I tried the V3 set for hard 6 and 8's. I was tossing easy 6's and 8's... so went back to chucking. I make my money hitting hard 6's and 8's with place bets on the 6 and 8 to offset the easy way losses... Oh well.
     
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  15. twodicebilly, Apr 5, 2019

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    No question craps is random.. always will be you cant change that, out of a million
    rolls your going to have so many 6 & 8 and so on.

    If leave my home today and play around Wisconsin on all the different tables for
    2-3 weeks....my results ARE GOING TO BE RANDOM.

    100% for sure...….but I dont play that game

    What I have seen the past shows me my results vary from table to table. I do consistently
    better on low hard tables that I do on high or high bouncy tables.... so play where I can
    play the best..... my over-all play if I played everywhere could be random because on some
    tables setting the dice I do worse than random......that is a fact , we have a 16 foot table
    here I am lucky to beat 1 out of 15 times.... and yet there is one table in Laughlin I beat almost
    80% of time...…

    So while a table can have random results for a year.....that does not mean every player that
    has played on it wins and loses at the same rate.


    TDB
     
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  16. ChequeMate8, Apr 5, 2019

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    I really enjoy this thread you've started here, if I had to guess, I'd say you have done some in-depth study of human psychology, sociology, physiology, possibly criminology or general human behavior in your day. Humans are indeed quite interesting, they remind me of the dice we have all enjoyed tossing at some point, or we wouldn't devote so much of our "free thought" and TIME pouring over every conceivable contributing factor into each and every possible outcome of each scenario of individual "random" tosses of the dice. It's easy to assess the entirety of possible outcomes, but mathematically improbable to predict sequential outcomes with any degree of actual certainty. Everything is infinitely more complex than what appears on its surface. Keep up the good work!!!
     
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  17. ChequeMate8, Apr 6, 2019

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    This short reply is Solely in response to your 6/8 hardways strategy, if you've already increased your frequencies of 6's and 8's with your dice sets, why not up your payoffs with a standard 2x your Hardways wagers on Place 6/8, that way you're happy to see the Easy 6/8 and Thrilled on your Hardways hits! This is my wagering mantra, Never be disappointed financially to see your desired Number show up!
     
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    8...Easy 8!!!!
     
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    Wiser words regarding winning at craps I have seldom seen. This is why I prefer to have ALL of my money at risk on one number, preferably the 4 or 10, and I don't care what way they show.
     
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    KoKo,

    You ought to Play CRAPS @ the Turtle Creek Casino in Traverse City, Michigan!

    Last time I was through there (about 3 Years ago) they were offering ZERO VIG, yes Paying TRUE ODDS on any 10 Bet!

    Friend of mine says he was there several months ago & they were still offering TRUE ODDS on all bets on the 10, both for & against

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