# craps has gone to crap

Discussion in 'Beginner Zone' started by tercol58, Jun 21, 2011.

1. yacraps, Sep 19, 2016

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What does the 2,3,11,12 pay on a dollar hop each

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2. KokomoJoe4, Sep 19, 2016

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3 and 11 pay 15:1

2 and 12 pay 30:1

Considering that you will lose \$3 on the ones that do not show, you win either 30-3 = \$27 or 15-3 = \$12.

More likely, you will be out \$4.

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3. TDVegas, Sep 19, 2016

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You are getting paid on the 4-9-10 (10 of 36)....is the reason to go with the iron cross. The ONLY time you lose is with a 7.

Someone would have to crunch the numbers on making a hop bet vs. iron cross.

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4. yacraps, Sep 19, 2016

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Thanks koko the reason I ask was southern comfort thought it better to hop those numbers but the payouts are the same as betting a four dollar horn the hop bets confuse me I thought all the hops paid 15 to 1

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5. James Hall, Sep 19, 2016

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6 ways to win 30 way to lose
there are better bets on the table

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6. yacraps, Sep 19, 2016

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Td I have seen a lot of people bet 64 across and a 4 dollar horn instead of iron cross its kinda the same thing

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7. yacraps, Sep 19, 2016

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The first time I bet the Iron cross the dealer I had was a older white haired gentleman nice man and good dealer after I had won my bet of 7 dollars and colored up to go get breakfeast the dealer said to me "kid the next time you wanna make that bet call us and we"ll send a cab"

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8. Onautopilot, Sep 19, 2016

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LOL

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9. Onautopilot, Sep 19, 2016

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We can damn sure agree on that!

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10. \$nakeEye\$, Sep 20, 2016

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A \$100 win on the 5 - pays \$140 -

A \$100 win on the 6 and / or 8 pays \$ 116 - ( IF they will book this ODD amount bet ) - as the 6/8 NEED to bet in \$6 increments ! -

And a \$150 win on the Field pays \$150 -

YOU LOSE !

WHAT aspect of YOU NEED to bet 2X on the 5, 6 and 8 and 1X on the Field -

Do You NOT understand ?????

You are welcome !

\$...eE..\$

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11. oldgrasshopper, Sep 20, 2016

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Now I do along with being embarrassed. Looks like I need to do more work on thinking through the consequences and end result of these different betting schemes. As you outline above, it all about the proper balance of the bet vs the payout. And yes, thank you for your patience. Truly appreciate you 'veterans' sharing your knowledge and wisdom.

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12. James Hall, Sep 20, 2016

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don't be embarrassed and don't stop asking questions , there are many on this forum who actually want to help,
I have found that even some of the naysayers are actually pretty nice , pretty knowlidgable and like to help when called upon
you are doing the right things , keep it up , you will get there, takes patience and study

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13. TDVegas, Sep 20, 2016

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Someone would have to take the \$68 and spread it out across four bets (5-6-8 + field bet) and crunch the numbers vs. \$64 across +\$4 horn.

Then we can compare.

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14. James Hall, Sep 20, 2016

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crunch them TD
Get the pilot he does that stuff pretty quickly , in his head
wish I could

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15. oldgrasshopper, Sep 20, 2016

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Yes! I think Mr. Shank suggested this same bet; because it contains a larger payout on the horn compared to the fielld. Since my local casinos don't pay triple on the (2 or 12) that appears to be a better choice.

PS: And for the brave souls who believe in DI; leave the 5 naked and set with the cross sixes?

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16. oldgrasshopper, Sep 20, 2016

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ERROR. Sorry, meant to say straight sixes.

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17. TDVegas, Sep 20, 2016

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Yes, never question goatcabin or mustang sally or Midnight on the math...

I would be curious on the comparison...because for a DI, I believe these 2 strategic plays would be for a simple 7 avoidance play (SRR+) as opposed to someone sniping signature numbers.

I also think there may have been a possible hop play with a higher SRR...but I'm not sure.

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18. James Hall, Sep 20, 2016

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actually a better set for that would be the inline 6 with 5s facing you
no 5s or 9s appear on that axis of rotation set the dice and check

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19. James Hall, Sep 20, 2016

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I posted a reply before I saw this post
straight 6s inline 6s same same and would be a good choice when leaving out the 5

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