craps has gone to crap

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  1. tercol58, Jun 21, 2011

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    Yes that is my craps play has gone to crap. I am a $100 buy in guy who likes the $5 min tables I used to be happy to bet the 6and or 8 and the pass line bet usually a fire bet too. Then I started doing the Iron Cross I think you call it with a little success at first now it seems no matter which way I go my money is gone in one trip around the table I need help to tighten up my game it is starting not to be much fun LOL.
     
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  2. Southern-Comfort, Jun 21, 2011

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    Are you losing the money on your own rolls or on other peoples? Do you set dice or just roll them?
    Personally I really don't see the point in Iron Cross betting unless theres an established rythym where 2,3,11 and/or 12 are showing up more often than usual. It takes away from three commonly rolled numbers to add 4 unlikely numbers.
     
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  3. tercol58, Jun 22, 2011

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    I set the dice and try to make a good throw but I seem to be losing on my roll and everyone elses. Seem if I hold my bets down it will be a good roll when I do put some out there here comes the 7. Some of rolls that Iron Cross seems to be the greatest thing ever other times its not even a one hit wonder. On my roll I do try for outside numbers to say I have any success sometimes yes sometimes no It seems like even when I am on a good roll rie when I got things pressed up where I can make a little money back BAM!!!!!!!!!!! its all over
     
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  4. The Midnight Skulker, Jun 22, 2011

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    Sounds like you there may be a "choke" factor. Have you considered a regression strategy? Probably would take more than $100 buy-in on a $5 table, but it takes the pressure off after one hit.

    Another idea is to use the 5-count. If nothing else it keeps you out of action -- you can't lose what you don't bet -- and let's you build up your chi.
     
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  5. tercol58, Jun 22, 2011

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    not sure what a choke factor is but I need to do sumthin different. I used to go up on Wednesday to one of the local casinos for a $49 poker tournament I would play craps before the tournament and a lot of the time make enough for the entry if not I might try later in the day one of the two times I would usually win a little back that has all went sour don't know what to do . Any and all advice welcome
     
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  6. DeMango, Jun 22, 2011

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    What is the minimum bet on the IC on a $5 table? With single odds you are looking at 25% of your buy in with one bet. I'll let you figure it out from there.
     
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  7. Hardeight, Jun 22, 2011

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    Is this the same casino you are going to?If so seems like they know your strategy and are CHEATING you out of your money.How can you be wiped out by using the Iron Cross?It just shows that the casino can control the dice for you to lose.
     
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  8. DeMango, Jun 22, 2011

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    I take two months off, from this site, but J, M, & Joseph, the magnets are still going strong!
     
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  9. tercol58, Jun 22, 2011

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    I think my Iron Cross version is a bit flawed for one thing I have the min bet on 5.6.and 8 as well as the field then I put $1 on each hard way if the field hits i press the 5.6. or 8 if it hits 2 or 12 I press two of them. So you see if the field don't hit early I am sort of spinning my wheels and if it 7s early well it don't take long to go thru $100 that way.
     
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  10. Hardeight, Jun 22, 2011

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    Well who missed you?Nobody oh yeah chucklehead my magnet theory was proved.LZNAM wrote a letter to his states gaming commission and he got a reply saying they check to find "magnetic influence" or any other ways to cheat.
     
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  11. DeMango, Jun 22, 2011

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    Yup it was proved all right. The show me state said show me. Well none of you miscreants have proven a thing. Show up in a new Benz, tell us about the money you made playing the don'ts and taking advantage of bi - assed dice, then we will start to look a little closer. But if I were you, I would just zip it and make money hand over fist untill the casinos wise up. It ain't gonna happen, the first part anyway.
     
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  12. basicstrategy777, Jun 22, 2011

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    IMHO you should not bet on everybody and qualify the shooter; also, you need to recapture your initial outlay as quickly as possible ; midnite mentioned how to do this i.e. regress. Also, consider a come bet or two ....this will act as an additional hedge
    and get you up on more numbers using 'regressed' money.

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  13. The Midnight Skulker, Jun 22, 2011

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    When a player of anything (not just craps) becomes tense under pressure and makes mistakes, that player is said to have choked. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choke_(sports).) As others have noted your betting strategy is quite aggressive for your buy-in, so when you "got things pressed up where I can make a little money back" you could surely feel some pressure and lose any semblance of influence you may have had over the dice. I suggested a regression strategy because it locks up a profit after the first hit, so later in your hand, when you notice you have big bucks on the table, you might still be able to relax because you know you're going to be ahead for the hand regardless of what happens.
     
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  14. Hardeight, Jun 22, 2011

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    Sounds like you are still losing too so maybe you need to zip it.I dont have to prove anything your royal highn-ass.You are dismissed.
     
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  15. tercol58, Jun 22, 2011

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    Thanks for all the input guys I am gonna try to play a little different this weekend we will see.
     
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  16. Hardeight, Jun 22, 2011

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    Yes you do have to change your strategy because the game is so random so you have to have adjustmentsin your game plan.Play the donts for one session and see how you do
     
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  17. $nakeEye$, Jun 23, 2011

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    For the Iron Cross Strategy to work properly - the following betting scenario MUST be adhered to:

    The 5, Six and 8 are placed bet for 2X the table minimum - at a $5 table the 5 would be place bet for $10 - the Six and 8 would be place bet for $12 each -

    The Field would be bet for $7 -

    The following are the possible results :

    5 hits - $10 place bets yields $14 - Field bet loses $7 - Net Profit = $7 -

    Six or 8 hits - $12 place bet yields $14 - Field bet loses $7 - Net profit = $7 -

    Field bet ( 3, 4, 9, 10 or 11 ) hits - Field bet wins $7 - Net profit =$7 -

    Field bet ( 2 or 12 ) hits - Field bet wins $14 - Net profit = $14 -

    Always remember that your place bets must be twice the amount of the field bet in order for this strategy to produce acceptable wins -

    Of course - on a cold table - where no one is hitting anything but 7's - no strategies except for dark side betting can overcome that.

    You can also put $1 on the hardways - but remember to bet 2X on the 5 / 6 / 8 and 1X in the field -

    You might also want to consider a 3 hit and down strategy with the above IC -
     
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  18. $nakeEye$, Jun 23, 2011

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    Did you ever hear of the term " 7-out " -

    Really now -
     
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  19. cvnlynn, Jun 23, 2011

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    could someone tell me how to do regression tactic. Thanks much.
     
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  20. Hardeight, Jun 23, 2011

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    Linda is soooo lucky to have a genius to know what a seven out is?But I still feel sorry for her.He said he playedit multiple times so I figure he would be making something or he only has good luck betting on crappy shooters?
     
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