CRAPS ~ CASINO DICE CHANGE OUTS

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  1. SevenOut, Jul 6, 2018

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    Eagleeye2... I have no dispute over your examples of 'discharging a pair of dice'.

    I watched, today, a shooter who would have the dice pushed in front of him and would take the pair and flip them around until he was content. Not setting... but random upside numbers and chuck them.

    The largest wager at the table was $12 on the six and eight of other players. I quit watching after he hit the All Tall for 30 to 1... and still not making point. They were paying out on those wagers when I left.

    I do not practice shooting. I am a recognized Dice Chucker, at best.

    I DO set down and work various Systems that would be the most aggressive over the shortest period of time at a table... and then quit when I am satisfied with my winnings, or when my bankroll is not adequate to maintain my Full Monte System.

    If anyone can manage to orientate a pair of dice, set them as Linaway has described, or the random setting and chucking the dice and manage numerous outcomes as this shooter... no complaint from me.

    His dumbest move was needing just the 10 for the All Tall. He laid $25 on the Don't 10 and two rolls later, won the $2 for $60 All Tall, but lost the $25 Don't wager. Again... it is more important to understand not to wager... against your better interests. This is a skill that anyone can manage, how to wager without hedging.

    I saw this Don't 10 wager, as a Doey/Don't 'feeling' a 7 Out was coming... sooner than later.

    It is the managing the pair of dice that is often overlooked and not as easily seen by most laymen at the table. When I observe a Linaway Dice Set being used... I am watching the DICE and more importantly... the WAGERS.
     
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  2. James Hall, Jul 6, 2018

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    Great post
     
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  3. DeMango, Jul 6, 2018

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    Okay, I’ll bite. What is a linaway Dice Set???
     
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  4. tabletop123, Jul 6, 2018

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    Linawsy's recommended Dice set is called " The Brothers" Dice set, which is 4/6, 6/4 with 2/5 on the Axles. ( Straight Sixes set)
     
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  5. DeMango, Jul 6, 2018

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    Figures. A set to use if not wanting 4’s & 10’s, but wanting 7’s! Have 2’s kiss for no 10’s, or have 5’s kiss for no 4’s!
     
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  6. tabletop123, Jul 6, 2018

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    Yep!
     
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  7. DeMango, Jul 6, 2018

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    The crash you hear is Linaway falling off his pedestal!
     
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  8. James Hall, Jul 7, 2018

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    That sucking sound you hear is the , "POOF"
    ducking for cover back into his sissy hole
    after another cowardly insult
     
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  9. Mssthis1, Jul 7, 2018

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    You see a lot of people toss like they're rolling a bowling ball with a lot of English on it that would arc to the left or right gutter and then back into the strike zone if it was a bowling alley. If your toss looks like that you don't want the numbers on the axles to be able to add up to seven.
     
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  10. von duck, Jul 7, 2018

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    The numbers on the "axles" always add up to seven, how could they not? :cool:
     
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  11. Mssthis1, Jul 7, 2018

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    In casino craps they don't read opposite sides of one die for the result. Typically it's 2 die and they use the number on top.

    If you use a 2V or 3V set and both die end up on an axle number it won't be a seven. That is one of the reasons why those sets are so popular.
     
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  12. SevenOut, Jul 7, 2018

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    I cannot imagine anyone who is not familiar with Linaway & Son. Then on this Forum, make claims to understand Setting Dice and Outcome expectations.

    I have read Linaway & Son's paper and gave it the title: 'Theory of Dice Setting'. A true mathematical genius to have sat down and devised a very interesting and complex understanding of Dice Setting.

    I promised I would not provide the solid paper copy to anyone after speaking on the phone with him and son. My math skills are pathetic in comparison to their conversation and understanding of a pair of six sided cubes.

    Taking 'theory' of Setting the Dice and the... developing the toss to achieve expected outcomes, are the part of the 'theory' I add to the title. It must be proven. That is the dilemma. The dice setting, what are the expectations and then developing the grip/toss/delivery... whatever terminology that is current, to achieve the group of possible theoretical outcomes of exact Dice Sets.

    Or, taking one die and rotating if tweaking of the toss is required to make compensations.

    SuperRick, who is wise not to attempt to explain, as well. He is also familiar and understands.

    The unfortunate situation on a Forum is that those who understand, do not need to debate the source of Dice Setting to those who are not even aware that there is an actual... source. It is shocking to many that one person sat down, orientated dice to achieve outcome expectations and list them.

    This information is being used by Dice Setters, who work with Linaway & Son, to develop the toss/grip/delivery of the dice for a desired outcome.

    For my Full Monte System... the V3 would be my set, had I any skill on the delivery.
     
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  13. von duck, Jul 7, 2018

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    So all I gotta do, is set 2V or 3V and then roll the dice in such a way, as to have one of two axils on both dice point up, and then I would never roll a seven. I can do that, at least one time in nine throws, so how much do I win? :)
     
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  14. von duck, Jul 7, 2018

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    Great! So what is a "Full Monte System"? What you plan'n on doing with that sickle, man? :)
     
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  15. SevenOut, Jul 7, 2018

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    Go to Advanced Craps. It has been there for two or three+ years and well discussed.
     
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  16. eagleeye2, Jul 10, 2018

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    Lots of GOOD INFORMATION on this thread, read through it!

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  17. eagleeye2, Jul 13, 2018

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    Totally amazing, Only Facts in FIVE STRAIGHT posts!

    Oh ya, no ""Brain Trust Nay-Swayers"" posting there!

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  18. eagleeye2, Jul 14, 2018

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    SevenOut,

    I saw your Avatar on an unrelated thread way back in 2011!

    WOW!

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  19. yacraps, Jul 14, 2018

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    The surgeon did wonders huh
     
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  20. twodicebilly, Jul 14, 2018

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    Like I said, your a lucky guy


    tdb
     
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