Eagleeye2... I have no dispute over your examples of 'discharging a pair of dice'. I watched, today, a shooter who would have the dice pushed in front of him and would take the pair and flip them around until he was content. Not setting... but random upside numbers and chuck them. The largest wager at the table was $12 on the six and eight of other players. I quit watching after he hit the All Tall for 30 to 1... and still not making point. They were paying out on those wagers when I left. I do not practice shooting. I am a recognized Dice Chucker, at best. I DO set down and work various Systems that would be the most aggressive over the shortest period of time at a table... and then quit when I am satisfied with my winnings, or when my bankroll is not adequate to maintain my Full Monte System. If anyone can manage to orientate a pair of dice, set them as Linaway has described, or the random setting and chucking the dice and manage numerous outcomes as this shooter... no complaint from me. His dumbest move was needing just the 10 for the All Tall. He laid $25 on the Don't 10 and two rolls later, won the $2 for $60 All Tall, but lost the $25 Don't wager. Again... it is more important to understand not to wager... against your better interests. This is a skill that anyone can manage, how to wager without hedging. I saw this Don't 10 wager, as a Doey/Don't 'feeling' a 7 Out was coming... sooner than later. It is the managing the pair of dice that is often overlooked and not as easily seen by most laymen at the table. When I observe a Linaway Dice Set being used... I am watching the DICE and more importantly... the WAGERS.