Crapless craps and come bet

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  1. Funman1236407, Feb 14, 2018

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    I was in St Louis playing a crapless crap table. One of the disadvantages of using the come bet is losing when craps is rolled. I am going back next week and plan to use the pass line with a come bet. Has anyone tried this strategy on a crapless craps table?
     
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  2. Onautopilot, Feb 14, 2018

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    Those bets carry a high HA, around 5% I think, don't remember because I don't play that game. You won't lose on a come out craps, but you won't win on a come out 11 either....they all go to points.

    Not telling you that you shouldn't try it, just that there are probably better plays on the crapless game if you want to play it....... placing the points of 11,12,2,3.....pays really good if ya get lucky!
     
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  3. $nakeEye$, Feb 14, 2018

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    Are there NOT dice sets which capitalize on the 11, 12 , 2 and 3 ? --

    OH, I almost forgot - I am speaking to FORMER DEALER who does NOT believe in the ability to influence / sway the outcome of a roll !

    Personally, I have NOT played " Crapless Craps " - NOR - do I have ANY intention doing so in the near or far future !


    However, I will offer this tidbit of information -

    Following " OAP " 's advice about placing the lucrative payoff points -

    Find a dice set or 2 or 3 which WILL produce THESE numbers -

    And you are on your way to " Easy Street " on the Crapless table !


    $....eE..$
     
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  4. James Hall, Feb 14, 2018

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    I had a guy tell me he loves crapless craps because if you roll a 2 , 3 , or 12 on the come out , THEY JUST BECOME YOUR POINT
    after everybody quit laughing I put my hand on his shoulder and as quietly as Aoutopilot would have said in a non arrogant voice I said
    "OH GOOD" , "he said do you want to try it" I said not even with your money but I'll watch you and see how you do . It wasn't pretty
    Those 12s as points are pretty tough to make
     
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  5. $nakeEye$, Feb 14, 2018

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    IF memory serves me correctly -

    Jerry Patterson invoked the " Super Set " as a " Go To " dice set for sniping " Field Bet " numbers -

    NOW - what part of Field Bet numbers comprise the 2, 3 11 and 12 ? -

    Which are NOT ordinarily bet -- aside from the " Prop Bet / Center Action " type bets -

    ONE ROLL bets - BUT - when played / wagered on a Crap Less Layout -

    Take on a Whole 'Nother perspective !


    $...eE..$
     
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  6. Onautopilot, Feb 14, 2018

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    I have never said DI isn't a possibility, I believe that it may exist at certain levels. I just don't believe some of the "Tall Tale" claims is all.
     
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  7. $nakeEye$, Feb 14, 2018

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    I ACCEPT THAT -

    As I have been there and done it -

    And IT does NOT " always work as expected " -


    However when push comes to shove -

    I will pay MORE attention to a person who demonstrates any semblence of professing " DI " -

    Than a totally " Random Shooter / Roller " !

    Just, simply , MY opinion !

    $...eE..$
     
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    To ADD to the ABOVE -

    I can recall NUMEROUS instances where " Practiced DI's " failed to perform -

    Especially under " Pristine Conditions " -

    THEN on the Other Side of the coin -

    I have witnessed people with NO expertise have phenomenal / lengthy / long rolls !

    GO FIGURE !

    $...eE..$
     
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  9. Onautopilot, Feb 14, 2018

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    "It's a craps shoot"! :)
     
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    What WE attempt to do is to " CONFINE " the definition of a " Craps Shoot " -

    SOME of the time it is successful - some of the time it is NOT !

    Some days YOU are the pigeon -

    Some days YOU are the statue -

    Hopefully, with practice, experience , fortitude, and perseverance -

    You will encounter MORE days that YOU are the pigeon -

    Than YOU are the statue !

    THAT is MY QUEST !

    $...ee>>$
     
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  11. Onautopilot, Feb 15, 2018

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    And a much preferred one I would guess. :)
     
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  12. tabletop123, Feb 15, 2018

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    Dice Influencing is just a little something to hopefully tilt the odds in your favor. No magic bullets. No "Sure thing"! I just think that it's slightly better than just flinging the dice down the table.... but most importantly.....it adds Style to the toss.
    Yep, RESULTS are what counts, but it sure LOOKS good when things come together for ya.
     
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  13. TDVegas, Feb 15, 2018

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    Best way to find out if ya got "something" or "nuthing"...is to POUND the pavement, play everyday, find your spot, rinse, repeat, over and over...once a day, put it to work. We aren't talking some strenuous, back breaking work here. It's tossing dice. Find your zone each day. This isn't an 8 hour workday. There's no strain.

    After a while...you are either banking steady wins, steady gains...or you are not. If not, then I understand the play of James Hall...visit the casino once every 4 months, buy in for $42...and hope for Lady Luck. If it strikes, credit DI. If not, back to his drawing board for 4 months.

    Seems to me...that with such a THIN edge for a DI, that this is a "Pound the pavement" task, not a once in a while deal. Crank away, once a day, maybe even spread it out to twice a day...shorter sessions. 2-3 hours apart.

    Find out if "ya got it"....or you are just kidding yourself.

    Either you determine you have it...or not. Shouldn't take that long to figure out. Is the damn bank account growing or not?;)

    Can't get any easier from a "do I have it or not" perspective.
     
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  14. The Midnight Skulker, Feb 15, 2018

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    You should also make sure you pick the right movie.
     
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  15. Edward-ky, Feb 15, 2018

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    Maybe i dont know its a random game no matter the amount of smoke you are blowing up each others asses.
     
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    can you imagine, some die hard 30 years practicing di shooter goes into a casino, hasn't had more than an 8-10 number roll in 3 years, and then all of the sudden, he hits 41 straight numbers without a seven.
    he goes home, and brags and shows off to his wife his winnings, see, all those losses just trained me for today, over 40 straight numbers, put that in your pipe and smoke it!

    the sad part is, that it was just another day, and complete randomness , and him being right place right time he had a good roll.
    but if you understand the entire di theory, when you have a long roll, its di spot on, when you do no better than the rest of the shooters, youre having an off day.
    and that's the definition of di.

    I hate comparing di to anything, especially sports, as its ludicrous, but from the betting aspect.......if you go to a horserace and someone you trust tells you, well, this horse is a heavy favorite, and the same person told you 10 times before and always picked the winner, one would think if you gamble, you would put a somewhat larger bet on that horse, instead of your 2 dollar win bet per usual.

    di shooters, well, you just don't see many of them betting more than the table minimum unless ofcourse, they are up a bit.
    everyone increases their bets with winnings.

    99.9% of dis seem to lack the confidence to back up their self claimed skills with their bets. and Im not saying this to spark an argument, look around, very rare youll see a di shooter at a 50 or 100 dollar table. me, maybe once in my life, and then how do I know if he just sets for stupidstition or is a real di theorist.

    Im waiting on one to walk up and show me how its done so I can the theory in full blown play and working.
     
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  17. tabletop123, Feb 15, 2018

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    Anybody know where I can find the $3 tables? I'm trying to fly under the radar! Don't wanna show too much skilled, & get 86'd.
     
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  18. von duck, Feb 15, 2018

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    Let's hear that other perspective. :)
     
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  19. DeMango, Feb 15, 2018

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    On a Crapless table, the come bet is the dumbest thing a craps player can do. When you can buy extreme numbers for less vig? Di or no, dumb and dumber!
     
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  20. von duck, Feb 15, 2018

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    By the numbers, it's a better bet than the ATS at full pay. It is amazing how resourceful, players can be at finding dumb bets. They're ALL dumb bets man, every one. :)
     
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