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Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by Dirtbag, Jul 15, 2016.
Your point is ???
You will see the man / women / it that behaves as exactly as you described in your post #29.
I'm in full agreement here. You would have to follow someone around for the year to make any true determination. I don't think it's remotely possible to make it your only source of income but I have no real way of proving yes or no.
The person, if claiming winnings truthfully on taxes could show a tax return that only shows gambling income or the main source of income. I doubt anyone in that position is declaring it all anyway. If they are, that's one helluva honest taxpayer.
It's called an objective opinion, based on a concept called randomness.
oddly enough I am familiar with all that
what I am questioning is how much time you folks are spending in observing skilled shooters
The opinions seem to be derived from thin air
One on this forum replied .."I just don't believe any of that"
horn post 29 on this thread??
in other words just plane old opinion
give me facts I like facts
here's a fact for you all or nearly all the math in craps is based on the fact that the 7 comes up every 6 rolls "ON AVERAGE"
when that does not occur , in other words , let's say we have a shooter who is able to roll 8 rolls per seven "ON AVERAGE"
the math is distorted it does not apply in this special case for this particular shooter
the OPINION at that point has no basis in fact
Give me facts objective opinions NOT BASED IN facts are mostly speculative and therefore mostly useless for any practical purposes.
The craps math does not work for highly skilled players
I start my day everyday looking into that mirror
It is a sight to behold
I know why women as they pass me sigh and give me that little wink
Well yes, it's an expectation, not a fact. Fact implies that it's a given each time.
OK, but you aren't offering anything but your own "facts" as you call them which really aren't facts but simply something you are just stating as fact. There's no valid proof to it. So, it's not considered factual.
KKJ could simply say it's factual that the dice are random and therefore, because each bet is paid at less than fair value...there are no advantage players.
Skilled shooter? When discussing tossing dice? If by skill you mean long shoots with lots of box numbers, I am not observing them with any degree of frequency.
When observed, I see any number of delivery systems: some as chicken feeding, some as grass seeding, some soft, some hard and occasionally some as I would envision a skilled DI, whatever that may be.
The average of an expert tossers three shoots of 47, 2 and 3 rolls is seventeen and a third. Congratulations to that expert shooter, who is highly skilled, and who is obviously not lucky.
Let me tell you guys a couple of things , we have been going at this now for what? a little over a couple of months now
I don't have a dog in the fight , I don't stand to gain one way or the other based on anything you guys do
I started my little group in September of 2013 I was fortunate enough at that time to get some people in who were serious about the game
all of them had read books bought tapes , one even trained awhile , over two years with one of the big schools and was not doing well
some of these guys had no clue
they came to me we started working and changed everything , they learned they practice
one of the guys came over just last night and ordered a craps table
Thursday night a fellow going to ACA came to Mesa while I was spending the better part of 5 hours with this very nice man several of my students came by
he asked if he could see some of them throw dice
one of the guys who used to live in Vegas now lives in Mesa a professional black Jack player who now prefers craps threw the dice
A lady who has yet to ever be in a casino rolled 42 rolls we showed this gentleman our payout sheet based on the roll she just did
he asked would she have played this betting strategy
I said yes and she said she would
on the 9 alone on a $5 bet she would have mad over $3000
He looked around at that point counting him there were 7 people in the room he asked is that normal
they all said yes
I told him that is more normal than not
He left Mesa with a renewed attitude with what can happen
OK, that's fine. I stated in the other thread...if you are THAT confident in your abilities and your teams abilities...winning comes consistently.
Would you be willing to show your skills in a real casino setting to a non believer(s)?.
Then, based on results we can put some facts behind either one of our sides...tiny as they may be, rather than this constant "he can"-----"he can't" stuff.
I do think you have something to gain. Your credibility on your statements.
some of the cause for confusion as it applies to the term skilled is
a lot of the people on this forum are trying to assume that if they see someone setting the dice they are a DI
you mentioned hitting soft , hitting hard none of these are the trademark of skilled
the other confusion comes in the form of how much training they have had , many of these random / chunkers are merely copying what they witness
to be truly skilled a person needs to be trained then he needs constant support / coaching on a consistent on going basis
the guys here in Mesa won't even consider going to Vegas without first coming over for a tuneup
Professional athletes are coached everyday
some of our group have formed sub groups of 3 or 4 they practice together they coach each other
in Vegas they do well
As a golf professional I would build my swing , I would perfect my swing I would tweek my swing preparing for tournaments
in an effort to arrive at the course with my A game
I and my group do much the same thing with craps
learn , train , practice to build the A game then go to Vegas
some of these guys have been with me since Sept. of 2013
I see them all at least twice a month some as much as once a week
THEY ARE DOING WELL
and believe it or not they are getting better
the math of craps does not apply
Scrapbook woman wink,
I applaud you and yours if you are successful at the game of craps. Success will have more to do with method of play, money management and good fortune (luck) than anything else.
Craps players are NOT professional athletes. Take a look at the so-called DI "Assman" in the Corvette thread to see what I mean.
What does "more normal than not" mean?
I do agree with some of that but tell me what you mean by method of play
Good fortune (luck) is voodoo (superstition) therefore non existent
there are two things that MUST OCCUR to be successful at craps
but again if you could tell me what you mean by method of play
Ok, I take it you're really not interested in showcasing or demonstrating your winning abilities to the non believers (maybe skeptics is a better word) here. That's fine. You will be confident, we will be highly skeptical. We'll leave it at that.
I'll ask no further.